Do you even care if Trump committed a crime or not?

Yes, it may be a problem with my imagination. What does your imagination say? What is it you easily see?

I've got to admit, I am starting to think you don't have a scenario.

 

No, Aleks, and that is NOT the point I advocated. On the contrary -- I've said that radical Democrats are being completely uncritical and totally irrational (to say nothing of absolutely SEETHING with blind, unreasoning hatred) for everything and everybody who is right-of-center.

They SAVAGED Brett Kavanaugh, and now they're ready to move heaven and earth to make the Mueller Report condemn Trump -- EVEN THOUGH IT DOESN'T. Would behaviors like those suggest to a sane person that the ones acting like that have gone completely nuts?! They're dangerous, Aleks, and they're so irrational that they make other people feel threatened (creepy, America-hating ANTIFA types come immediately to mind). And what do a lot of sane people do when they feel threatened? They defend themselves "against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC!"

This is not a new phenomenon, Aleks, and none of us want to see a repeat of the kind of reaction that can easily happen when the Left becomes so insanely unpredictable and dangerous....

Not so long ago -- after GERMANS got sick and tired of the ultra-Left contaminating their Weimar Republic --

. And you know 'the rest of the story'....

 

Who you gonna kill? Who do you feel justified in murdering? Kamala Harris?. Pete Buttagieg? Joe Biden? Anyone and everyone who dares question the God-Emperor in any way?

When do the arrests and executions of all registered Democrats begin?

 

Indeed i do. And it is not lost on me that the first thing your sort seems to want to do is repeat it.

 

Once again, for whatever reason, you simply REFUSE to read what I wrote! There's not much point in trying to reason with you when you're in such a disturbed frame of mind. You usually exhibit more rationality and equipoise than this... but, it's a sign of the times. Unfortunately, it will get worse. We are headed into an national abyss, Aleks, and I'm afraid that nothing can stop it now.

 

Would it help if I told you, very sincerely, that nothing would make me happier than to see the reincarnatin of JOHN F. KENNEDY in the White House in 2020, Aleks. But it ain't gonna happen! We have no leaders left who are the calibre (English spelling) of a John F. Kenney, or a Ronald Reagan. We don't have another Eisenhower, either.

We are headed toward deep, serious internal trouble now, Aleks, and no one can save us from ourselves if half the country is obsessed with crushing the other half based on nothing but imaginary, unproven, unsubstantiated, unvalidated "crimes". I'm telling you as sincerely as I know how -- THIS IS HOW GERMANY WENT TO HELL AFTER WORLD WAR ONE!

 

If he has committed a crime it is between him and FBI.

President Trump has many faults, but he stands against Totalitarian Left. That counts for anyone who supports Free Speech.

 

So, how do you think we Democrats might avert this?

 

It seems to me that the the standard of guilt or innocence is dependent on who the accuser is.

If a conservative claims

Thanks for ignoring what I said.

 

When did he do that? Specifically how and when did he do that?

 

Just for starters, Trump told Fox News that former White House counsel Donald McGahn should defy a subpoena to appear before Congress.

 

What did I ignore?

 

As is his right, look at what happened to Barr and Kavanagh? This subpoena fails 2 out of 3 requirements necessary (to have a valid legislative purpose and to have specific inquires pertinent to the subject matter) and even then to refuse it is not a criminal matter. Why should McGahn appear just for some DNC grandstanding?

Also the President is merely voicing his opinion which he is entitled to do?

 

Read the Mueller Report, It goes into detail

 

Dear @Turin
1. there is a difference between actions that took place BEFORE Trump was in office
and what occurred afterwards. For example, relations that happened before he was
campaigning aren't treated the same as if these relations happened while representing the U.S. as President.

2. it's not true that all people supporting Trump don't care if he committed crimes or not,
but the issue has become mangled and convoluted because of
a. misrepresentations and false statements mixed with real problems involving Trump
b. criminal violations in procedures going after Trump that also become equally wrongful
but politically skewed because of added motivations by both sides in addition to the
original issues and to the violations in the process of investigating those issues.

3. Also, snagging people AROUND Trump into acts of perjury that count as crimes is NOT the same as implicating Trump. The problem with credibility is anyone can force or be forced into contradicting their own words, then being pressured to try to snag Trump as part of plea bargaining to reduce the punishment under duress. As long as that political coercion is skewing the process, that is what is causing the distrust and denial that the focus is truly on what Trump actually did.

4. What I want to find out: is it true there is video evidence that Trump admitted knowledge of hacking crimes against Democrats?

A friend claims there is a video showing Trump had knowledge of hacking crimes.
That he either knew or instructed Russians to go after the Democrats and that this was illegal.
And he either encouraged it or wanted it. And didn't report or stop it.

Is this true?

Why isn't the video anywhere when I search for it?

Does ANYONE have the source or link that meets this description.
If it was THAT obvious he had knowledge, wouldn't the opposition have USED it?

My friend says the information is out there, and people "don't care."
But the people who DO CARE about impeaching Trump would make
sure this footage got on the national news and everyone had access, right?

 

WT bleeding god-cursed HADES are you talking about..

WHAT did you write that I'm not reading

Howsabout;

" And what do a lot of sane people do when they feel threatened? They defend themselves "against all enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC!"

This is not a new phenomenon, Aleks, and none of us want to see a repeat of the kind of reaction that can easily happen when the Left becomes so insanely unpredictable and dangerous....

Not so long ago -- after GERMANS got sick and tired of the ultra-Left contaminating their Weimar Republic -"

Accompanied by a picture of marching NAzis

This being somehow to make me feel LESS threatened by right wingnuts. Is that the idea?

Or no, just so long as we shut up and stop all this blasphemous criticism of the GodEmperor , that will do, right?.

I freely admit to being a religiously devout coward but even I am not intimidated by threats from another poster on an anonymous discussion board

 

I said ifvthe Democrats keep doing what they are doing. They will cause a civil war.
They are taking peoples rights away. If they keep doing that the American people will justly revolt violently and kill them.

It won't be murder.

 

Name us the last President YOU THINK hasn't committed a crime, I'll show you evidence otherwise.

Unless this is a Trump hate thread in which case, continue your tantrum.

 

Don McGahn is a private citizen, Trump has no power to claim executive privilege with Don McGahn again, that's a one-time deal and he waived that privilege when he allowed Don McGahn to testify to the special counsel. It's important, as part of Congress oversight, that Don McGahn speak in public for everyone to hear and see.

 

Do you know why the anti-war and civil rights movements in the United States built such an impressive, growing momentum, and eventually won the day way back in the 1960's, Aleks? Because both of them were founded in TRUTH, HONESTY, and focused on JUSTICE.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 and Voting Rights Act of 1965 became law, overturning many decades of unconstitutional discrimination against Black Americans-- primarily in states dominated by Democrats . It took much longer for opposition to the Vietnam War to finally emerge vindicated, proving for all time that liberal Democrat Lyndon Johnson had deliberately contrived to submerge us in a pointless, winless war that got 60,000 Americans killed, based on a LIE -- but by 1971 it was finally clear to nearly everyone that the Vietnam War was a meaningless 'meatgrinder' based on an unreasoning hysteria, fraud, agenda-politics, and total disregard for FACTS.

Now, fast-forward to today and try to understand that what radical Democrats have tried to accomplish with their threadbare attempts to sabotage and destroy anyone and everyone connected in any way to the Trump Administration is remarkably similar to lock-step Democrat Party behavior of the 1960's! Can you see how THAT might scare the hell out of rational, logical, fair-minded citizens, Aleks?

THINK: After nearly two years and $28 million dollars involving a staff of two dozen staff, Robert Mueller produced the results of an exhaustive investigation that CHARGED NOBODY WITH ANY CRIME AT ALL! Let that sink in for a moment. Not ONE person was charged with ANYTHING! You would think that an investigation conducted with such time-consuming rigor would be conclusive, especially when produced by a man who even Democrats considered to be totally objective, and best-in-class.

Instead, what do we see and hear from Democrats in the aftermath of the release of the entire report (minus only small redacted portions, removed for national security concerns)? Hysterical ranting and raving, irresponsible charges of everything from lies, criminality, and treason and a wholesale sh!t-slinging extravaganza of unreasoning, mentally-unbalanced hatred FOUNDED ON NOTHING!

Now! Can you imagine that those of us who aren't hysterical, rabidly dangerous partisans might begin to fear for our own security and safety? THAT is what those old Germans felt in the days of the Weimar Republic as they watched the hate-filled cadres of German Communists destroy the peace, law, and order of their society! WE MUST NOT HAVE ANYTHING SIMILAR HAPPEN HERE! Can we at least agree on that?

Last point: when any political faction deliberately sets out to DESTROY fellow citizens based on nothing but hatred, contempt, and fantasy, A LINE IS CROSSED, and it is not easy to cross back over into a sane, logical, fair interaction afterwards! Remember what these raving, fanatical Democrats tried to do to Brett Kavanaugh! And see exactly what they are trying to do to Donald Trump.

The best way to prevent violence is to remove the conditions and the conniving instigators that breed them, and return to TRUTH, PROOF, AND EVIDENCE as our only acceptable standards for making judgments and taking political actions in this country!

 

Who is taking your rights away? Who are you going to kill? Why won't it be murder? If you'll drop all this "American People" bushwa and try to answer these questions on an individual basis you may realize how utterly insane what you're saying is.

Or maybe not. You're like a lot of conservatives I know, You don't have an arsenal and not want to use it. Most conservatives are the very definition of murderous. The only time they get upset about killing someone is when they're in somebody else's womb.

 

Manafort and all those others were charged with nothing at all? They'll all be relieved to know they can go home instead of serving long prison sentences. Manafort alone will be paying for the entire 28 mill and more in fines and restitution

And the only reason there was that Trump wasn't indicted for obstruction is that Mueller thought Congress should do that. He said that himself in the report you obviously haven't read, But then why should you? Barr told you exactly how to think about it.

We are trying to restore some Truth to government and you want to kill anyone who tries.

 

For a start (START), I would suggest that both Republicans AND Democrats focus on facts, evidence, and proof! Start with those key elements and dismiss all the hatred, hysteria, conjecture, and fantasy!

Start with what evidence and proof clearly demonstrates are FACTS -- not what we "want" the truth to be....

Start with the FACT that Robert Mueller's report DID NOT CHARGE ANYBODY WITH ANYTHING! Maybe, after accepting and understanding that much, we can proceed on toward balanced mentality, sanity, and concerns for what is real, and what is NOT....

 

I have already explained this fully.

 

Manafort "and all those others" were busted for various crimes that had nothing (NOTHING) to do with any kind of conspiracy or collusion with Russia! Why is it so hard for you to understand that?! Trump knew full well that the whole 'investigation' ploy was nothing but political sabotage -- starting with the "Steele Dossier", right through the FISA Court farce, culiminating in the 'witch-hunt' that he complained about -- rightly -- for two years! Of course he tried to do what he could to retaliate against such an obvious, threadbare attempt at political assassination! Democrats used that kind of tactic against him, and later we would see that they used essentially the same kind of campaign of lies and deceit against Brett Kavanaugh, too!

The net-result? Mueller did not charge anyone with anything. I can say it a few dozen more times, but it will sound the same, Aleks. Why will you on the Left not comprehend and understand that? Not all the wishful-thinking in the world is going to change that. You accuse me of not having read the report -- have you?! If you did, you MUST come to the inescapable conclusion that Mueller did not charge anyone with anything!

Hint: Paul Manafort laundering money with corrupt Ukrainian government creeps over a decade before Donald Trump even thought about running for the presidency is not (NOT) proof that "the Russians hacked the election for Trump"! The rest of us understand this clearly -- why can't you? Is there a mental problem of some kind that we should be worried about...?