Does a fetus have rights

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by Matt22yuc, Dec 6, 2018.

  1. FoxHastings

    FoxHastings Well-Known Member

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    Only in your mind....BTW, what is this right you claim erroneously that they have?

    What right? Name it.
     
  2. Vegas giants

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    The right to life. I have repeated this several times. Lol
     
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    And you again attempt to endow rights on something incapable of having or defending said rights.
     
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    An infant has rights and can not defend said rights
     
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  5. Matt22yuc

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    As Tecoyah said being born gives them rights . And you seem to be using rights and value interchangeably when they’re two separate things. The mother as well as people give her value.
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Infants cannot be aborted...goal post move noted.
     
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    A fetus can.....unless it is viable....then it has the right to life barring some exceptions
     
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    Nope they have a right to.life when viable
     
  9. Matt22yuc

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    I asked before where does this inherent/intrinsic value come from? Just making things up like intrusic value in life won’t make people ethical towards each other. In fact we’ve tried that the last couple thousand years and it doesn’t exactly have the best track record. Understanding how your actions affect others, empathy, and the “golden rule” is what will lead to ethical behavior in people.

    And now you’re changing it to “potential value” which is even a more absurd concept than intrinsic value.
     
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    A fetus is not an infant....you are trying to move your goal again...it is becoming dizzying.
     
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    Why are you moving the goal post?
     
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    I do not enjoy discussions with trolls or distractors so.

    Have A Nice Day;)
     
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    I dont either. Have a nice day
     
  14. FoxHastings

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    If that's what you want to think but if the woman it's in wants to kill it , she can....so your 'right to life" (that NO ONE has ever bestowed on a fetus) means nothing :)
     
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    Assigning intrinsic value to others is what makes us ethical and it has worked well for many thousands of years. Our empathy and the golden rule helps us judge our moral responses to others because we give them intrinsic value. We recognize in ourselves that we have value as human beings therefore others must have value as well. Part of that value is potential value, that is the possibility of a increasing functionality and that is where the fetus comes in....

    More about intrinsic value... https://ethicalrealism.wordpress.com/2010/10/14/does-human-life-have-value/
     
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    Nope, if the woman it's in has health issues because of it, she can kill it.
     
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    Yep that is one of the exceptions to that right. Almost all rights have exceptions
     
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    Well it means you can not kill the fetus absent those exceptions so the right exists
     
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    No, that means it really has no "right to life" merely protections.....whether YOU like it or not.
     
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    No it means it has a right to life regardless of whether either of us like it or not. LOL
     
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    ALL pregnancies are a health risk, even a death risk, so a fetus never has a right to life
     
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    Of course it does. You can not kill a viable fetus because YOU think you have a health risk. A doctor must make that diagnosis. That is an allowed exception
     
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    Even if it's a tiny little medical issue that can probably easily be alleviated?

    If you say she can get an abortion for medical issues, where do we draw the line?

    One could say any pregnancy is a medical issue.
     
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    Why would it get protections if it doesn't have rights?
     
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    So a past establishes personhood, but not a future?

    Does a comatose human being have some capacity that a fetus doesn't?
     

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