FoxHastings said: ↑ No, viability means when it is generally capable of living on it's own without artificial aids. It can at 23-24 weeks, it cannot earlier than that. NO, viability is NOT any different from state to state, it is ALWAYS 23-24 weeks. Fetuses do NOT grow at different rates from state to state...what a bizarre idea!! Some states have just etched away at women's rights by making abortion limits earlier.....they did not and could not change viability....it still takes 9 months for gestation and NO one can change that.
Is it 23 or is it 24? Sorry states can define it usually no less that 20 weeks but Alabama has a weird way they were able to wrangle 19. Legally you are incorrect
By the way viability under Roe did not mean when a fetus can generally survive without artificial aid. It is much more specific. Do you know what it is?
FoxHastings said: ↑ No, viability means when it is generally capable of living on it's own without artificial aids. It can at 23-24 weeks, it cannot earlier than that. NO, viability is NOT any different from state to state, it is ALWAYS 23-24 weeks. Fetuses do NOT grow at different rates from state to state...what a bizarre idea!! Some states have just etched away at women's rights by making abortion limits earlier.....they did not and could not change viability....it still takes 9 months for gestation and NO one can change that. NO, I wasn't talking legally, I was talking about when a fetus is physically viable and law has nothing to do with that. The law can restrict the time women have to get an abortion, the law can declare that at 2 weeks, 10 weeks, or ten minutes the fetus is "viable" but that DOES NOT MAKE the FETUS VIABLE, that does not make it capable of living outside the woman without artificial aid. ...... neither the law nor anything else can change the rate of gestation
FoxHastings said: ↑ And why do they get more rights than anyone else? Want to explain that and want to explain WHO gave them rights that no one has heard about but you? No, it's not the law for viable fetuses, they can be killed, too. Oh? Where is the law that says you can be given rights if you are in a ""unique situation""? HOW TF is gestating a "unique situation? WTF is so "unique" about it???? What? No one's ever done it before ?? Hilarious!! Oh? Do they? And what super rights are those? The right to harm and kill if they choose to like you think the fetus has a right to? Are there other entities on earth that you feel should have rights and no restrictions??
FoxHastings said: ↑ No, viability means when it is generally capable of living on it's own without artificial aids. It can at 23-24 weeks, it cannot earlier than that. NO, viability is NOT any different from state to state, it is ALWAYS 23-24 weeks. Fetuses do NOT grow at different rates from state to state...what a bizarre idea!! Some states have just etched away at women's rights by making abortion limits earlier.....they did not and could not change viability....it still takes 9 months for gestation and NO one can change that. By the way, do you even know what "viability" means in the scientific correct NON"legal" meaning? I didn't think so since you seem to think it's from conception to 9 months...or what anyone anywhere says it is.....
You are aware that "artificial aids" have nothing to do with it and almost every baby born at say 25 weeks would have such aids. Also about half would die anyway
FoxHastings said: ↑ No, viability means when it is generally capable of living on it's own without artificial aids. It can at 23-24 weeks, it cannot earlier than that. NO, viability is NOT any different from state to state, it is ALWAYS 23-24 weeks. Fetuses do NOT grow at different rates from state to state...what a bizarre idea!! Some states have just etched away at women's rights by making abortion limits earlier.....they did not and could not change viability....it still takes 9 months for gestation and NO one can change that. By the way, do you even know what "viability" means in the scientific correct NON"legal" meaning? I didn't think so since you seem to think it's from conception to 9 months...or what anyone anywhere says it is..... Do you? Let's see it.....
This artificial aids thing is quite funny. Many full term babies require some kind of artificial aid. I doubt any baby born at 25 weeks can survive without artificial aids
It is my experience that all of my children had help upon birth. That all professionals bring to the table is artificial aids.
I didn’t say anything about moral relativism. Minds give things value. Life has value because we give that not because there is some unconditional inherent value to life outside of minds prescribing it. The concept of inherent value is non-sensical. A fetus can have value if someone gives it value such as the mother. Morals is different from value. The woman has rights because she is a self conscious being. Ethics is based on actions that cause pain and suffering on conscious beings. You can’t present premises to and argument and then not be willing to address the validity of those premises because it may divert to another subject. Or else it’s simply I say they don’t have rights and you do and that’s it.
