Does a fetus have rights

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  1. Vegas giants

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    It does not prior to viability
     
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    Why do you believe viability carries with it rights?

    (Please don't use the argument "Because the Supreme Court said so" )
     
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    Because then it meets the criteria we use for other persons. Brain activity as seen in a eeg
     
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    No, I asked you if they had the right to kill or injure women.....I received no answer....
     
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    Nope they dont. So?
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    Yes, but it is generally acknowledged that viability occurs at 23-24 weeks. It doesn't vary greatly from fetus to fetus.


    No, it doesn't...it shows percentage rates of survival at those stages.

    The stages do NOT vary that greatly from fetus to fetus....
     
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    No, they don't .

    So women should be able to abort at any stage since at any stage a fetus DOES harm them and can kill them.
     
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    That’s what viability means.

    A fetus’ ability to survive varies. Some can at certain stages while others cannot. That’s a fact.
     
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    No they should not. Clearly that is not the law in the US.
     
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    The law balances the supremacy of the mother with the viability of the fetus.
     
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    No, it doesn't. Perhaps you meant that the Supreme Court ruling precedent purports to do so.
     
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    I think the actual laws are a bit ambiguous on this point.

    BIG grey zone, when it comes to "life & health" of the woman.
    (Reality is a lot more complicated than just a woman's life/health is threatened or it isn't)
     
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    Federal and state laws are a crazy quilt patchwork of different intentions that are inconsistent and don't make coherent sense.
    When it comes to abortion, the legal issues are set more by court precedents.
     
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    Is this an admission that the legal side may not be based on actual science?
     
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    Yes, it does. You are simply wrong.
     
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    No, viability means when it is generally capable of living on it's own without artificial aids.


    It can at 23-24 weeks, it cannot earlier than that.
     
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    FoxHastings said:
    No, they don't .

    So women should be able to abort at any stage since at any stage a fetus DOES harm them and can kill them.




    So you think the law says fetuses have super/ extra/ ultra rights that BORN people don't have....how bizarre.


    It's not the law because fetuses have NO rights.
     
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    no, but the mother has the right to choose, if someone forces her to abort against her will .. that should be a felony "forced abortion"

    it should also be a felony to force a child to carry a fetus to term if they do not want too - child abuse
     
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    Yes. They have extra super special rights. I agree....and it is the law for viable fetuses
     
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    It's not based in science. But that is pretty typical for law
     
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    Well her life does need to be in jeopardy according to the doctor....and I am fine with that
     
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    Its earlier in several states
     
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    It is the simple truth.
     
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    First we have to be clear what a right is. It is a moral entitlement. That is, a right to be treated in an ethical way.

    An animal has inherent value, therefore it should be treated in an ethical way. Most can agree at the very least an animal should not be abused, tortured or killed without just cause. A fetus also fits the description, as a living thing, that has a right not to be abused, tortured or killed without just cause and there are laws protecting those rights after viability.
     
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    :) And why do they get more rights than anyone else? Want to explain that and want to explain WHO gave them rights that no one has heard about but you?

    No, it's not the law for viable fetuses, they can be killed, too.
     

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