Does a higher education make you smarter? Is liberals really smarter?

I just don't like being lied to, sure it might have made me "bitter" but that's life. There isn't a job that exist that wouldn't fill me with "bitterness", but with more money some of it might be eased. Bosses suck, co-workers are jerks and if you are the Boss then having to fire people sucks. My plan is to put every cent I can into my own trading account and retire at 40-50.

My only dream now is to make the most money I can and do what it takes to do so. People that spout the going for your dreams crap are weak and trying to cover up the truth because they are butt hurt that they couldn't land a high paying job or other wise find a way to make a lot of money.

 

You may have answered your own question.

 

Yes they are. I don't let little mistakes hold me back since everyone makes mistakes. It was late at night and I was tired. I have yet to find a way to edit the title after I post a thread so for future reference I need to double check my thread titles.

 

Maybe I will grow out of it then.

You hit on learning by rote.
Actually I teach the Japanese predominantly. And I am a massive fan of learning by rote. But I got that from English schools not Asian.
I certainly take most of my role model from Japanese teaching methods. As much as I can get.

You don't have to understand everything. It's not necessary.
I don't have to understand how a car works, only how to use the controls.

The confidence I gained in Army training was incredible. Left and right.
I knew how to work out which was my left and right hand, but aged 14 I was still having to think about it.
I no longer do. It is an instinctive response.

My times table. I learnt by rote. I do not re-calculate these things, I simply remember them. It's quicker.
Burn it in. Then it's done. You got it for life. If you want to understand it later, carry on. What matters is that you can do it.
That when you need the answer, you've got it.

I teach myself by rote. Speed teach.
Most powerful tool in my armoury (short of pain).

The difference perhaps in Japan is that you don't have teachers. You have Sensei.
Like me. Yay!

They operate to different standards of public trust.
There are some people who I do not need to be critical of. Because my trust is absolute and well placed.
I can then spend my free time critically analysing something else instead.

In the end, mummy knows best. Don't you agree?
Some things are wisdom. You don't need to work them out for yourself only to recognise that so many other people already have and use their results.
And so Sensei is guardian of the traditions. More than just teaching critical thinking, we also teach uncritical thinking. Robot mode.

To recognise wisdom and defer to it.


You see, how you get to the right answer is not as important as knowing the right answer.
And until you know the right answers, you don't know if your methods of working them out are correct or not.

Wisdom trumps intellect.

 

I know but I am legally blind and I would have had to be driven 20 miles to the closest university everyday to continue.

 

Higher education will make you smarter on a given field.
Education will not increase your common sense.
Liberals are not smarter than their Conservative counterparts as a rule, nor is the reverse true either.

 

It is possible to be book smart and street dumb.

 

I had one teacher who had taught in Japan for ten years.. named Spooner. He taught by rote.

 

And if the market crashes or you aren't as smart as you think you are....oh well

 

@Margot2
All teachers do.

It's but one of many ways. Different students respond differently to different methods and different subjects require different methods.
Language? By rote. It's how you learn as a child. For example I teach elocution by rote. Because there is an element of physical conditioning involved. They don't so much need to understand the words as be physically able to elocute them.
I also teach poetry by rote. Some maths, physics equations. You really don't need to know how to calculate E=mc2.
Don't need to match Decartes 1+1=2 essay each time you see two apples. And so on.

I'm not going to teach you the finer points of Jane Austen by rote. Or art techinques. but there is no end of stuff I can.

The battle is this, I may teach you something that you have no immediate use for. By next year, you have forgotten it all and I have to teach it all again.
Again and again every year the same syllabus until it sinks in.
That's how we learn languages in the UK.

WASTE OF TIME.
I just burn it in first time round and they have it for life and 5 years free time to learn something else.
Don't underestimate the old ways. I know I used to when I first started. But I don't any more.

 

So you are typical of Asian teachers.

 

No ma'am. I'm not typical of much I'm afraid.

But I am trying to be.

Asian teachers are the gold standard. If I was typical of them I would be very pleased with myself.
I teach them here.

http://www.kaetsu.co.uk/

I have the best classroom in the best university in the world. God only knows how that happened, but I like it.



That all said, I'd give it all up to be teaching air hostesses again. You know I would.

 

The more education you have, the more knowledge you are likely to possess.

 

Buoy oh boy, had I done that starting in my twenties, I would have amassed many many millions waiting on others to make me very rich. But i did not.

 

That's a good thing to know. Will you please share that bit on knowledge with the Orange Maggot.

 

A super hot 23 year old female lives at Kauai. I have a step daughter married to her brother. We were all alone and she lamented to me that she has a very difficult time locating men in her age who can have a deep conversation with her so we went at it for close to 4 hours. She was satisfied. I too since she was fun to talk with.

 

I think college can gain one a lot more knowledge in theory. But that doesn't make one smarter. A very smart person without a college degree can through experience surpass those with degrees and do the job much better. College makes one book smart, it is experience that makes one job smart. Having knowledge gained in college is a head start over someone who doesn't. But I would use the word smarter.

I have know a few who were very smart book wise, but dumb as Hogan's goat when it came to doing the job.

 

No. I live in a city with a world-reknown university and I have spent time at that university myself and regularly engage in the nightlife that the student pubs and clubs offer - most students are quite stupid. I have met lots of people who lack degrees who are much more intelligent than those arrogant law students.

A university diploma might have been an indication of intelligence in the 1950's, but certainly not anymore.

It is, quite funnily, an emblematic trait of Liberals to be bullies - often they will be very up in their arses, slapping their chests as they chant "I am a major in law, I know this!" They think they are the tolerant and relativistic ones, but really they are just haughty, little know-it-alls who prohject their insecurities onto everyone else.

Their wealthy, bourgeosie family paid for their everything all their lives and now they think they have the authority to point fingers and explain what it is like coming from crappy socio-economic backgrounds as they laugh at people who don't have a stupid Sociology degree to fap over at night calling them unintelligent.

 

If that's the case, how is it that those educated via 'rote' are able to learn more than those educated via 'how to learn'? Good luck with explaining that successfully.

 

Not all knowledge is created equal. Years in college to become an expert on the social dynamics of transgender interracial families compared to a couple weeks learning how to weld structural steal beams together... well, one of these opens up a world of career opportunities, the other might get you invited to make a short speech.

 

I agree. I went to college after realizing that all jobs required counting back change and I couldn't do it. I was too ....not smart....to function at a cash register....which back then were not computerized and did not tell you the change you needed to give back to the customer. Thus...my options opened with college. And I did well in college with a high gpa. And I do well now but I still can't count change. We do have computers to do that for us now though...

 

Post of the week!

As you so brutally and accurately put it ... they're the product of disinterested moneyed parents, spoilt brats desperate for the attention and focus their self-absorbed parents didn't give them.

Anecdote time: Talking to a friend recently, who is the mother of one of the above. Her son is a narcissistic poseur, who imagines himself most enlightened and compassionate, and across all the Liberal virtues. He's a sneering hater of anyone/anything suggesting basic education or working class roots. Anyway, the mother told me that he (the son) had recently spent time with an uncle he rarely sees ... and this uncle called him on his BS, every time. Demanded the kid explain and support his posturings. The mom was horrified (she was in background at the time), because as she put it "I've always supported his opinions". And there's your answer. Lazy parents who find it easier to simply 'idolise' their kids, than to challenge them to think critically.

 

Pardon my ignorance, but how on earth did you get into university if you couldn't do basic mental math? Unis where I live require you to meet a minimum academic standard to gain entry.

 

Oh....do they make you count change back before you go to university there?

 

And one will feed you and your kids, forever. And pay for your kids to become doctors and lawyers, thus breaking the poverty cycle if that's where you started.

The other will get you a minimum wage service job for 15 hours a week, forever. And won't pay for kids at all - but if you do have any, they'll be impacted by your arrogant attitude to survival, and will end up worse off than the middle class parents who sent you to college to study something as useless as that mentioned. Thus breaking the wealth cycle (and we know that's where you started, because only the rich think it's reasonable to spend years doing something which won't feed you).