Does anybody on the right rely on the ACA for their insurance?

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  1. Golem

    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Anybody on the right who wouldn't be able to obtain insurance because they have pre-existing conditions? Or who would not be able to afford it without ACA credits?

    It's pretty clear that if Barrett is confirmed, all this is very likely to go away when the Supreme Court rules on this.

    Remember: the State Department is seeking to overturn the whole law. Not just one or two provisions. And if you're counting on Democrats to bail you out by passing a new law.... First of all, you better make damn sure you give them a super majority in the Senate. There are many ways they can block this with appeals to the Supreme Court. Which will, obviously, rule in their favor. Or, at least, delay it to no end. And even if it passes, you can be absolutely sure that they will find something... anything... to strike it down again. Because now the Koch Brothers, and their anti ACA crowd, have bought themselves a supermajority in SCOTUS. And they're damn well going to make sure they get what they paid for.

    So if you're a Republican with no pre-existing conditions, and lots of money, I understand your position.

    How about the rest of you?
     
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    No. When I needed a knee replacement, I let the doctor shoot my knee up with steroids and gel to avoid paying the thousands of dollars Obamacare didn't cover ,,, until I escaped Obamacare. Great choice ,,, non-Obamacare covered 100% of my knee replacement.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Yeah! Paying full price definitely covers 100% of everything. But the question was not for you. It was for those who CAN'T afford it.
     
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    Actually, I paid zero. I paid into my health plan for 35 years and bought a supplement to cover what my plan didn't cover.
     
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    Yep! 35 years to pay for a knee replacement sounds about right.

    Thanks for sharing. I'll await for the responses by people who can't afford that.
     
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    What does money have to do with it?
     
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    Good question, but the product being sold is no longer "insurance". It is not possible to buy insurance for something that has already happened.
     
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    I don't agree with flag burning, but it is safeguarded under the Constitution.

    That is how it works. My feelings on the matter are irrelevant to how the Supreme Court is supposed to render its decisions. Justices are not supposed to rule by how they feel but by what the Constitution says.

    Like you, the Senate Democrats, instead of making a case for the constitutional basis for Obamacare, relied on the appeal to pathos. Like Roberts, they know it is unconstitutional.
     
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    Venezuela also guarantees health care as a right and covers pre-existing conditions.

    Pre-existing conditions isn't the problem.

    The problem is that people with ACA can't actually afford to use it.

    Additionally, you're spreading misinformation. Trump's plan does not eliminate pre-existing conditions.

    If Trump can drop the cost of insulin from $600 to $35 a month, he can do ACA better.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    You don't know what money has to do with healthcare in this country?
     
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    anyone that has pre-existing conditions relies on the ACA
     
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    I'm not asking about the Supreme Court. I'm asking about YOU. If you, or anybody you care for, has pre-existing conditions.
     
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    I thought you were asking ME?
     
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    Ok. So you don't have pre-existing conditions. So nobody on the right does?

    BTW, hate to break it to you. But Trump has NO healthcare plan. None whatsoever. Anybody who has pre-existing conditions or relies on Obamacare for health insurance is fried.
     
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    Golem Well-Known Member Donor

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    Well... the way this works is one asks everybody. And whoever has an answer... answers. Whoever doesn't... doesn't.

    Except trolls. They always answer. Even though they never have anything to say.
     
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    Let's try again and see if you can understand this time.

    pre-existing conditions is not at risk.

    Anyone who says it is is just promulgating false information.
     
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    And everyone who has insurance relies on ACA too.
     
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    I rolled my eyes so hard I missed your second line.

    No healthcare?

    https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/f...are-System-Through-Choice-and-Competition.pdf

    https://thehill.com/opinion/healthc...-health-care-plan-he-has-been-implementing-it

    Let's examine health care successes:

    Trump : Insulin from $600 a month to $35
    Trump: Fastest vaccine drug trials in the history of the world

    Obamacare: 2 Billion website that didn't work, and insurance you can't afford to use. Bonus, if you can't afford it, you get fined for not being able to afford it.

    You make this too easy.
     
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    Are you paying attention? Of course it's at risk! The DoJ is seeking to overturn the whole ACA.

    You didn't know that? Well... now you know.
     
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    LoL so the only way to cover pre-existing conditions is if you keep Obamacare?

    Good lord.
     
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    I didn't say "no healthcare". I said no ACA. Which means no more pre-existing condition coverage, no more insurance price controls....

    Focus!
     
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    the pre-existing law is part of ObamaCare
     
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    Yes!!!!!

    My God, It can't be that difficult to understand, is it?
     
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    I love ACA ever since they killed the mandate. Or, at least, I have no problem with it. TBC, I don't use it. But I guess some folks like it, and now that I don't have to help them pay for it, I'm very happy for them.

    I pay $50/mo for access to a co-op clinic. Some people call it having a doctor on retainer. Same diff imo.
     
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    Apparently it is, since covering pre-existing conditions doesn't depend on the ACA.

    You realize that all you have to do is still cover pre-existing conditions under a new health care system?

    Sounds like you don't.
     
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