Does Jesus rank on the list of worst torturers of all time?

I could have easily answered no, but the question was illogical and irrational to begin with.

What do you have to say in response to my own point, FS? How can you claim that someone is a torturer based on something that you can't prove will happen in a place that you can't prove exists?

Coming from an atheist, that makes no sense whatsoever...

 

Unicorns in the Bible are not what you would call Unicorns of mythology. There is no Hebrew word for Unicorn. The nearest which is used in the Tanakh is Re'em - (Oryx - wild bull) wrongly translated Unicorn by the KJV. There are various candidates - and it is used to apply to various animals.

The Biblical dragon is associated with water. Came into the English language 13c from Latin meaning huge serpent, dragon. Greek - meaning sea serpent, giant sea fish.

Angels is a long and complicated subject. In Hebrew the angels are messengers of god. Most often in human form. Seldom with wings outside of the 'so-called' visions. The same word can be used for serpent in a different context.
Fairies are always with wings and never in human form, though I believe they are generous to children who have lost a tooth.

Regarding the donkey. It had probably been eating some of that magic beanstalk.

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Pathetic.

 

Hey, ya gotta admit, Jesus and Adolf have a lot in common on that issue, basically, looking at the intolerance each has towards Jews. Both are fine with untold numbers of Jews having unspeakable acts committed against them, one used concentration camps, one used a concentration camp guard named, "Satan", I think it was. Two peas in a pod.

 

God: possibly the worst communicator of all time. "Dang it! I meant 'wild bull', but they translated it to 'unicorn', and there's absolutely nothing I can do about it! Dang!" Guess he's not all-knowing, then. Oh well, at least the Bible makes a good door-stop.

And in a similar vane, instead of "resurrection", maybe what they MEANT to say was "erection" (sound about the same, and pretty similar spelling), and it was also just badly mistranslated like so many other things in the Bible? So maybe the "resurrection" didn't actually happen....but something ELSE did rise up?

 

If, repeat if, the Bible is true, which is what Christians believe, then he would be the world's #1 torturer. So Christians either leave Christianity, or they worship the most vicious person who will ever live. But of course there is an alternative to that horrific belief system.

 

Yes, 2.1 billion people give their kids a book that has SEA SERPENTS in it, and abuse said children by telling them it's real, and "from god" no less.
I too give my kids a book that has sea serpents in it, but I'm honest with them and tell them it's just a fairy tale.

 

Perhaps you should go back to studying the real Bible, not your own interpretation. Jesus was a Jew. The christian Satan did not exist for him. Neither did the hell you keep on about. You claim so much and know so little of the Bible. Jesus had no intolerance to the Jews, only those who, rather like yourself, thought they were the ones who were right. They had drawn the people away from true Jewish beliefs, and Jesus felt it was his calling to draw them back to their god.

Many Biblical scholars are going back and restudying the Bible, taking into the account Jewish culture, language and the NT in the light of circumstances of the time.
I've just posted about dragons, unicorns etc. The KJV Bible is full of mistranslations etc. You will find modern translators often agree by giving Hebrew references.

Your opinion of Jesus is simply what YOU want to believe, not what the Bible tells you.

Me? Jesus was a wise and learned teacher, often having words and interpretations put into his mouth by Christians desperate to make him their Messiah.

 

The Bible STRONGLY disagrees with you:
Satan says that to Jesus: “All these things I will give you if you fall down and do an act of worship to me.”

Jesus replies "Get away, Satan! It is written: 'The Lord, your God, shall you worship and him alone shall you serve.'"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temptation_of_Christ

 

Ah. So we are coming round to the fact that Dragons do not breath fire but are sea serpents.

And don't get your children feeling too safe. Ships have been sunk by large Whales, there are large and dangerous creatures (Devil Rays 21' long and 18' wing span) and we know by skeletons that there were extremely large creatures in the sea millions of years ago. Sea serpents exist.

 

You really are twisted aren't you. Anything to mock. Are all MSH followers like you? I have read some MSH literature but I think I will keep away in future.

 

No it doesn't. Christians (who wrote the Gospels) use Satan as an enemy of god. In fact if you knew your Bible this 'Satan' that was tempting Jesus was HaSatan in Judaism. HaSatan is a messenger and also given the task of testing men's faith. HaSatan tested Job (if you believe the story). He was given the task of testing Job but with limits set by God.
Jesus resist this testing with Jewish teaching.
I went all through this on another thread. The difference in western thinking and eastern thinking.
In the west evil and good are at enmity with one another. In the east they are essential to each other. Without one the other doesn't exist. They maintain the harmony of the Universe. Look up Yin and Yang

Personally I don't think these temptations happened. I think that the gospel writer realised the temptations that Jesus faced and made up this 'parable' to attempt to show this part of Jesus life. That's just my opinion.

 

For the 1,000th time:

John 15:6 https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=John 15:6&version=MSG;CEV;MEV;CEB;NLT

 

And of course a man can live inside one for 3 days, as per the Bible!
Wait, I could be wrong, maybe that was not from the Bible, but from a fairy tale....I apologize, since I have a hard time telling the Bible from fairy tales.

 

If so, then the "resurrection and return" are also parables, of rebirth, say. So Jesus is not coming back to let people survive their own deaths I'm afraid. Just a bunch of interesting parables, the Bible is.

 

If they were so stupid to not know where the sun went at night, to think the world was only 4000 years old then, and to approve of slavery, and to think it was ok to kill gays, then don't you think they might have got the "resurrection/return" of a magic invisible man in the sky wrong as well?

 

As it says in Mark 5:6-7 (CEB) = "6 When he saw Jesus from far away, he ran and knelt before him,7 shouting, “What have you to do with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? Swear to God that you won’t torture me!”

Luke 8:28 (CEB) = "28 When he saw Jesus, he shrieked and fell down before him. Then he shouted, “What have you to do with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg you, don’t torture me!”

Revelation 9:1-6 (MSG) = "9 1-2 The fifth Angel trumpeted. I saw a Star plummet from Heaven to earth. The Star was handed a key to the Well of the Abyss. He unlocked the Well of the Abyss—smoke poured out of the Well, billows and billows of smoke, sun and air in blackout from smoke pouring out of the Well.3-6 Then out of the smoke crawled locusts with the venom of scorpions. They were given their orders: “Don’t hurt the grass, don’t hurt anything green, don’t hurt a single tree—only men and women, and then only those who lack the seal of God on their foreheads.” They were ordered to torture but not kill, torture them for five months, the pain like a scorpion sting. When this happens, people are going to prefer death to torture, look for ways to kill themselves. But they won’t find a way—death will have gone into hiding."

 

You mean he TORTURED Job, with God/Jesus' approval! Hmmmmmmm, yet another example of a hero (god) of the Bible being big on torture....I think we're seeing a pattern of torture here, obviously bolstering the theme of the OP.

Here is yet another example of our boy Jesus approving of torture, in fun picture form (see all 11 pictures): http://www.thebricktestament.com/the_parables_of_jesus/parable_of_the_tortured_debtor/mt18_23.html
Jesus was obviously immoral as he thought torture was normal, was something to be used in a parable, and threatened people that his dad would torture certain people if they didn't obey his whims. He was sick.

 

The deeper we get into the Bible the more torture Jesus approved of. Dick Cheney and Jesus, two peas in a pod.

 

Darn! If only the "all-powerful" Jesus was compassionate and real, then he could put a stop to this horrific torture to come! Darn, I wish Jesus was real!

 

Wyrd, with your awesome 12,959 posts, many showing how repulsive Jesus and religion are with actual Bible passages (good work!), one would think that Jesus will ESPECIALLY enjoy seeing you tortured in his own personal Auschwitz. Ok, Jesus won't get as much joy from that as he will seeing that Richard Dawkins is tortured, but almost. I'm hoping to be #3 on that list.

Keep up the good work!

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That's funny, because that description fits most CHRISTIANS.

 

Tell that to the dragon in Revelation 12:4 (CEB) = "4 His tail swept down a third of heaven’s stars and threw them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth so that when she gave birth, he might devour her child."

Most sea creatures don't have legs and long tails that can sweep a third of the stars out of the sky down to Earth. How long do you think the dragon's tail is? It must have a small mouth and legs in relation to the size of its tail if it can eat a tiny seven pound baby.

 

This thread made a comparison come to mind.

If the village idiot, who could never get out of the 3rd grade, read a modern book on quantum physics, filled with equations out the ying yang, with some text, he could never say much about quantum physics that would be coherent

Likewise, if an unenlightened human, read the bible, he would either sound like Freedom Seeker, or he would sound like one of these fundamentalist Christians, who both like the village idiot, are far beyond their pay grade when it comes to understanding writings that are purely spiritual in nature and are pointing to something beyond thought, concepts, to another dimension that is not ordinary consciousness.

The teachings of JC are purely mystical in nature, and if you take any of them literally, you quickly appear to be an idiot. And are. Regardless of which side you are on. You guys are like two bald men fighting over a damned comb.

 

Yeah, comparisons can be handy, and fun!

Eg, if someone knows barely anything about, say, quantum physics, but knows the sprinkling of the associated glamorous terminology throughout a dialog might impress the proletariat, he is likely to flog that puppy to death. The comparison being, of course, new age weasel waffle about spiritualism.

 

They are true ISIS members and Moses is their hero.

 

When Jesus said that he spoke in parables in order to deceive people so that they would go to hell was he lying?