Does the Democratic Party still feel the guilt of their slavery supporting past?

I want you all to feel and suffer like they have for the rest of your lives

 

By NOT having reparations?

 

with or without is fine for now

 

What you are attempting is a classic conservative tactic. That is to build one’s arguments upon a false premise. Clearly the people and their mindsets were different from the way people think now. For me, personally, most of my ancestors did not come to America until after the Civil War. When they did come to America, they settled in the upper Midwest, none of them living in any of the states where slavery and its aftermath were issues to content with.

However, I do have an ancestor who served in the Union Army. He attained the rank of Captain and was rewarded with 500 acres of prime Ohio farmland, for his services to the country.

When one looks at a demographical map, over time, of the US, one finds that slavery was mostly an activity in the Southeast quadrant of the US. That is where all the Confederate statues and name places are. The Civil War broke out in Kansas between Southern settlers who wanted to bring slavery to Kansas and the settlers from New England who wanted Kansas to be slavery free.


The question that you should be asking is, do Southerners and those who wave confederate flags feel quilt for their ancestral past support for the institution of slavery and for the continued suppression of Black people ever since?

 

Political parties don't own slaves.
People own slaves.
So you should direct your question to the people of the South.

 

Not in absolute terms, but perhaps 1000 years in the future, we might, if we make it to that distant shore.

 

Why would liberals feel guilt for what non-liberals did?

See, that's the fallacy of your argument. It's not about labels, it's about core principles.

Moreover, as a general premise, what I do not do is apply values of centuries past to values of modernity as a means of scoring political points, it's specious reasoning and disingenuous.

 

Sorry, the relevant question is whether Republicans feel any guilt over their current support of racism, white supremacy, and the myriad of other "crimes" that Republicans clamor to hate over.

 

Republicans support racism?

 

Maybe somewhat. But not so much since the post WW II era and the period between the LBJ Civil Rights era and the Nixon Strategy, which helped elect Nixon in 1968. Many Southern Democrats objected to the civil rights legislation supported by Northern Republicans and Northern Democrats. Republican Barry Goldwater (a Senator from Arizona) ran against Johnson on a "State's Rights" platform (basically an anti-Federalist platform). He used a slogan stating that "extremism in defense of liberty is not a vice" (or something similar...can't remember the exact words). LBJ countered with an ad quoting the slogan and showing in the background a hydrogen bomb test in the Pacific. At the time, LBJ was trying to win our war in Vietnam without escalating into a nuclear war with China or Russia. Johnson's campaign ad was to convey that Goldwater would escalate the war, rather than deescalate...perhaps to the level of a nuclear war. LBJ won the election overwhelmingly. Goldwater won his home state of Arizona. But he also won 3-4 Southern States (I believe Louisana, Alabama, Mississippi and perhaps one other southern state).

The politicos interpreted the vote in the Southern States as Southern Democrat objection to LBJ's civil rights legislation. This was reinforced by southern third party movements, which were based on both anti-civil rights legislation, as well as states rights. The conclusion was that a Republican Presidential Candidate could win in the traditional Southern Democratic South. Nixon himself was a Quaker and I doubt a racist...but was not above playing the race card to win the South and the Presidency, so the Party played the States Right card on the surface, with the race card unspoken but beneath the surface. Nixon won and many Southern Democrats switched to vote Republican...at first pretty much for the top of the ticket, but becoming the majority of the down ticket candidates as well, over time.

It's slowly returning to a Democratic majority in places such as Georgia as the South improves economically and brings more Democratic northerners south and the African American vote increases with the help of the Civil Rights legislation and (until recently) Supreme Court and Federal Judiciary help.

American politics have never been completely clean by the behavior of either major party, but this was era was also the same one entered into by a young Roger Stone, who became known as a "trickster" (among others). Yes...the same Roger Stone recently pardoned by President Trump.

 

How does this relate to the politics of slavery?

 

You think that's what I'm doing?

 

You and I won't be around to enjoy it!

 

And no political party ever supported the right of people to own slaves? No members of any political party was a slave owner?

 

Sure they did.
But those political parties change. Alas the people. Not so much.

 

Define the "politics of slavery." I was explaining how much of the Southern Democratic Party in the 1800's supported slavery and how that changed over the latter half of the twentieth century. I doubt either Party supports slavery today.

 

Well you mentioned the war. How does the war relate?

 

Yeah I get that people change, but then why are people in favour of reparations?

 

The Vietnam War was an issue during the LBJ-Goldwater election, that's all. LBJ portrayed Goldwater as a larger hawk than himself. But surprisingly Goldwater attracted a lot of Southern Democrats who were opposed to LBJ's civil rights legislation.

 

Here's the thing with reparations, the govt promised reparations and thus should be made to fulfill that promise.

 

Oh right. I thought that you were saying that the war was related to slavery.

 

Republicans support racism?

 

You think that's what I'm doing?

 

Yeah I get that people change, but then why are people in favour of reparations?

 

What is the false premise that you think I have used?

Of course. When did I say that Democrats STILL support slavery?

Is that because anyone who waves a confederate flag is a racist?