Does the FBI have a problem?

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Does the FBI have a problem?

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    With the current revelations and emotions do you think the FBI has a systemic problem?
     
  2. Daniel Light

    Daniel Light Well-Known Member

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    Do you think it''s impossible for a Democrat or a Republican to be an FBI agent? Aren't they always going to be biased?
     
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    Yes.

    Members of these communities should be dedicated to the Constitution, and that alone.

    They only thing they should be dedicated to is the pursuit of equal justice under the law.
     
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  4. Daniel Light

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    So FBI agents shouldn't be allowed to vote.
     
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    Of course, as a private citizen they should be allowed to vote.

    Voting is done in private for a reason.

    Donating money to campaigns, attending campaign events, putting together dossiers on candidates, and sending 10,000 text messages to your mistress on how you're going to "save the country" from the electorate is not.
     
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  6. Daniel Light

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    So you think that the FBI is full of people so incompetent at their job that they can't separate their home life from their business life. If they're all so incompetent, should we allow them to be armed?
     
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    That does seem to be the case for those in very high positions in Justice and FBI, does it not?

    The people who are supposed to be setting the example are setting a horrible one.

    Would you like supporting documentation for that?
     
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    Real documentation or Bull S**t opinion pieces from blogs and Beatlebart?
     
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    Not as bad as when J. Edgar Hoover was in charge.
     
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    Seriously? People being demoted and all of the actual evidence we've seen and you're just going to pretend its a "vast right wing conspiracy"?
     
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    There are 35,000 people working for the FBI, and you are talking about a "systemic problem" when it reflects on .015% of that workforce and we have seen the problem people dealt with as they are found. The problem is that Bettlebart and talk radio nuts think that "systemic" equals 1 out of a thousand workers.
     
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    It's a systemic problem in the leadership, clearly.
     
  13. Daniel Light

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    Really? Then having multiple people be fired and two under FBI charges must REALLY indicate systematic problems in leadership at the Trump White House ... or are you going to go all hypocrite on me?
     
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    Oh c'mon, you can do better than this.

    You know as well as I do that Manafort's charges have nothing to do with Trump, that Papadoupolous and Flynn lying have nothing to do with Trump, that the entire "Russia/Trump collusion" argument is nonsense, and the entire liberal narrative is being systematically dismantled.

    The leftists involved with this attempt to stage a silent coup are being smashed, and it's only going to continue to get worse for them on a daily basis.
     
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    No it's not impossible. It only takes a dedication to the job and an allegiance to the legally elected President regardless of the President's party. If an agent finds he cannot support the administration he is free to resign and can quite easily find employment elsewhere. If an agent cannot do his job without plotting against the administration then he needs to be removed and replaced from the many applicants applying for the job.
     
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    You are confused - the FBI does not swear allegiance to the Administration or the President - they swear to uphold the Constitution and the laws. Big difference.
     
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    And with that comes an allegiance to the highest office in the land. Is not the president supposed to be the CEO of our country?
     
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    Did or did not Trump hire these possible criminals? Flynn was hired against the reconditions of the previous administration. At least the FBI people are not up on criminal charges.

    Your argument was that if FBI people are being demoted or fired, then it shows the that the FBI is having systematic problems. Well, even more people are being fired over at the White House. So are you a hypocrite or not (not really a question anymore).
     
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    No - it does not. The President is subject to laws. If he breaks the laws, the FBI can investigate/charge him with crimes. The Constitution is the only thing they swear allegiance to.
    That's High School Civics - you should know that.
     
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    Yes he is subject to laws just like any CEO of any company is as well but until he does break those laws he needs to be shown the respect his office deserves whether you like him or not. If you work for him like the FBI does then they should show respect even if they might be investigating him or his people. Some in the FBI have lost the presumption of innocence in their TDS for Trump.
     
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    How do you know whether or not he has broken the law if the FBI does not investigate allegations? That's their job. Not to turn a blind eye because he is President.
     
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    Oh well if the former administration warned them how could this have happened?

    I mean we now know the former administration was doing everything it could to ensure President Trump would be successful.

    Be careful with your angst.
     
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    I've been outraged by the FBI since ex-Director Comey came out with the bewildering nonsense of Hillary Clinton not being indictable for her blatantly obvious crimes against national security and classified information!

    Since this disgusting, wholly-inaccurate result of a totally COOKED 'investigation' was announced in July 2016, it has been clear to anyone with a triple-digit IQ (especially those of us who have ever held a government security clearance) that the FBI had been led by a Director who was either completely incompetent, or completely corrupt!

    I don't blame the rank-and-file FBI agents for this, although it has come out recently that a number of them were perfectly willing to do anything to harm Trump's campaign.
     
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    Does the FBI have a problem?......


    Yep!


    WSJ: There's Mounting Evidence of 2016 Election Meddling Coming From the FBI.....

    There is something rotten at the Federal Bureau of Investigation. I mean all of this is just absurd. We have two FBI agents texting one another, one of which is having an extramarital affair with the other, cryptically talking about “insurance” against a Trump presidency. That text between these two agents was delivered on August 15, 2016. You also have Andrew Weissmann, Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s top lieutenant, voicing praise for then-acting Attorney General Sally Yates for refusing to enact President Trump’s executive order on immigration, which got her fired. Then, there’s another DOJ official, Bruce Ohr, who was demoted for meeting the authors of the infamous and unverified Trump dossier, Fusion GPS; Ohr’s wife, Nellie, worked for that firm during the 2016 election. If there is nothing rotten at the FBI, then it’s credibility is definitely in question, something that The Wall Street Journal’s editorial board mentioned in their op-ed about this mess. The two FBI agents at the center of the firestorm right now, Peter Strzok and Lisa Page are obviously no longer working with Mueller; Strzok was removed in August, while Page’s assignment with the investigation has already ended and she has been transferred elsewhere. Still, from this past summer to now—and we’re just learning about these 10,000 text messages between the two. The Journal makes it clear that there appears to be mounting evidence of election meddling emanating from the bureau:

    Whatever the case, it seems that meddling, or at least conversation of such activities, is coming from inside the house, or to be more accurate—inside the J. Edgar Hoover Building and not the Kremlin. Judicial Watch just filed a FOIA lawsuit to obtain all of Peter Strzok’s files relating to his reassignment from the Russia investigation conducted by Robert Mueller. .....snip~

    https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattv...lection-meddling-coming-from-the-fbi-n2422639
     
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    isnt that obvious? tack the irs into that as well.
     

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