During January 6 Hearing, Schiff Doctored Text Messages Between Mark Meadows And Rep. Jim Jordan

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  1. Kode

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    The Federalist is a known liar.

    If Schiff actually transformed that memo into a lie by editing it and changing it, why haven't the Republicans shouted from the rooftops for the last 12 months and why didn't they take steps to prove beyond any doubt that Schiff was lying? Then they could take action to punish Schiff even if it was a case of going to the people of California to tell his constituents of the awful thing Schiff did. Why not? Why no work to expose the crime? ....Because it wasn't a lie. That's why.

    The changes made to the meaning by dropping the final phrase is not substantive. The fact is that the memo suggested stealing the election. And that request was further supported by the Trump campaign lawyer. Trump campaign lawyer Jenna Ellis, on Jan 5, called on Pence to refuse to count presidential electors from states won by Biden. Ellis claimed that Pence had the authority to prevent a Biden presidency because certain parts of the Electoral Count Act were likely unconstitutional. Accordingly, Ellis wrote that the vice president “should … simply stop the count” when the time came for Arizona’s electors to be accepted.

    Pence told Trump that he did not believe he had the power to block congressional certification of Biden's win in the presidential election despite Mr. Trump’s baseless insistence that he did.

    Consequently, an angry crowd of domestic terrorists trying to stage an insurrection chanted "hang Mike Pence".

    This is substantial evidence that Republicans tried to steal the election and it shows The Federalist to be misrepresenting. The Republicans' theft failed so now they are backpedaling and revising history to cover their butts and try to escape legal consequences for trying to subvert an election to illegally seize power.

    Why can't the Republicans just advocate respectable, beneficial, positive policy? I think we all know the answer.
     
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  2. Bluesguy

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    Another attempt to cover for Schiff and his lies perhaps?
     
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    It means exactly what I said it means try responding to it instead of asking inane questions.

    Are you totally incapable of responding to what I post?
     
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    No one has said different.

    Now care to address what Schiff did here?
     
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    Read what I post it is more than just the phony edit which if it changes the context YES it matters and it is a self-serving doctor. Schiff is a sleavebag, and this is just more evidence of the duplicity he is willing to engage just like his claims about have the evidence of Trump and Russian collusion which he never produced.
     
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    I don't find it so funny what does that have to do with Schiff falsifying evidence?
     
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    What are you claiming in the story is false and be specific?
     
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    Are you actually saying that there was no attempt to change the elected president from Biden to Trump? No attempt to steal the election and stage a coup? LOL!!!
     
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    Do you really think you can bury the Capitol Riot by attacking Adam Schiff?

    You're making a diversionary move.

    Yesterday, the 1/6 Commission released text messages from right-wing pundits and Trump's own son.

    We're up to 300 witnesses heard.

    Bannon and Meadows will be prosecuted and convicted.

    And the noose is tightening on Trump.

    You'll need a lot more than this Federalist article to turn the tide.
     
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    I did respond, with a question. If you’re afraid to answer just say so.
     
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    His changes were meaningless and change nothing about the context. They were trying to throw out the legal electors for some fake ones.
     
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    No no you can’t ask the obvious, you must be distracted by the period schiff added that in no way changes the context!
     
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    Oh now Hamilton is not an authority on the Constitution? ROFL. If you can refute the article in the Federalist then do so your invective refutes nothing. Which is NOT the issue here anyway.

    And how does all that mitigate what Schiff did here?
     
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    You can disagree with what Trump's advisers were merely presenting in a consider this working draft of possible legal avenues they could pursue but explain how that would mitigate what Schiff did here, on the floor of the Congress, totally misrepresenting an alleged text sent by Jordan?
     
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    That's is not the issue of THIS thread. There are plenty of threads on that matter.

    This is about what SCHIFF did here. If you want to discuss that fine, continue. If you want to discuss what you assert was a coup then do so in those threads.
     
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    Yes they were and yes they did as the cite clearly shows. Are you saying the story is false? If so how?

    Not only did Schiff lie about the substance of the text message and its source, he even doctored the message and graphic that he displayed on screen during his statement. The full text message, which was forwarded to Meadows from Rep. Jim Jordan, R-Ohio, on the evening of Monday, Jan. 5, was significantly longer than what Schiff read and put on screen, but Schiff erased significant portions of the text and added punctuation where there was none to give the impression that Jordan himself was tersely directing Meadows to give orders to Pence on how to handle the electoral vote certification.

    The original text was written by Washington attorney and former Department of Defense Inspector General Joseph Schmitz and included an attachment of a four-page draft Word document drafted by Schmitz that detailed Schmitz’s legal reasoning for suggesting that Pence had the constitutional authority to object to the certification of electoral votes submitted by a handful of states. The piece that Schmitz had sent to Jordan was published at the website everylegal.vote the next day and even included the same “DISCUSSION DRAFT” heading and timestamp on the document that Schmitz sent to Jordan.
     
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    Cool so did he send it because he thought it was an awful idea? Otherwise it changes nothing.
    Nobody who’s seen Jordan thought he came up with that on his own lol
     
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    FFS until you know what he said, and WHEN he said it, and what the federalist papers actually are, your unarmed in this debate


    Have a nice day
     
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    “Possibly peruse” ?

    You righties live in an alternate reality

    THE ONLY REASON IT FAILED WAS BECAUSE PENCE REFUSED TO GO THRU WITH IT….

    Nothing was misrepresented. Schiff, an assistant US Attorney, actually knows that what Hamilton said holds no water because:

    1. It was Hamiltons opinion of what the that version of the constitution said.
    2. He said it BEFORE the final version of the constitution was ratified

    EVERYONE has opinions of what the constitutions says, but thats why we have a 9 judges SC.

    And The federalist papaers were essays written by individuals. But if you actually read them, they document the DEBATE on what they thought it should be
     
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    I read what you posted, it's nonsense as is the OP article. I merely pointed out what the mudslinging was about: nothing.
     
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    Yes it was raised in a DRAFT memo in answer to what LEGAL avenues might be open, Pence was asked about it, he said he wouldn't do it.

    And yes Hamilton's opinion carries some weight, but in the end it didn't happen.

    Now back the issue HERE and Schiff and the fraud he tried to pull.

    January 6 Committee Admits It Doctored Text Message Between Meadows And Jordan

    Following reporting by The Federalist that Rep. Adam Schiff, D-Calif., and his staff doctored a text message between Rep. Jim Jordan and former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, the House Jan. 6 committee admitted over email that it did, in fact, doctor the text message.

    As The Federalist reported on Wednesday morning, on Jan. 5, 2021, Jordan forwarded to Meadows a three-paragraph legal summary from attorney Joseph Schmitz, summarizing a four-page legal memorandum Schmitz had written regarding congressional certification of the 2020 presidential electoral vote count.


    In a statement provided to The Federalist via email, a Democrat spokesman for the Jan. 6 committee confessed that the committee doctored the text message.

    “The Select Committee on Monday created and provided Representative Schiff a graphic to use during the business meeting quoting from a text message from ‘a lawmaker’ to Mr. Meadows,” the spokesman wrote. “The graphic read, ‘On January 6, 2021, Vice President Mike Pence, as President of the Senate, should call out all electoral votes that he believes are unconstitutional as no electoral votes at all.’”

    “In the graphic, the period at the end of that sentence was added inadvertently,” the spokesman admitted. “The Select Committee is responsible for and regrets the error.”

    The Jan. 6 committee spokesman did not explain how one could “inadvertently” cut a sentence in half and eliminate the final two paragraphs of a detailed legal summary, nor did he explain why Schiff attributed the content of the text to Jordan, “a lawmaker,” rather than to Schmitz, the attorney who wrote it.
    https://thefederalist.com/2021/12/1...ored-text-message-between-meadows-and-jordan/
     
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    Guy is a crooked pos.
     
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    Again, no coup was attempted and no coup was ever planned. The memos didn't demonstrate it, this stupid farce of the letter definitely doesn't demonstrate it. A subjective opinion on what took place in 1/6 does not make something materialize.

    What you'd need, what they are desperately(and failing) to look for, would be a coordination of the riotous mob and the Trump team. But obviously that smoking gun doesn't exist. So hence: No coup.

    It's really simple. Now that we're finally done hopefully with the delusion of a coup, let's talk about the real danger: This Stalinesque situation created in response to 1/6. Let's say you succeed, and the left gets their wish and the orange man is in an orange suit. Will that end the obsession? Of course not. We already know that AOC among others wanted a political enemy list. Purging Trump would be the start.

    It goes from the human rights violations of getting Mr. Jordan's texts(without the commission of a crime), to eventually seeking the common citizen who doesn't abide by the politiburo.

    In short, the Left has become way more dangerous than Trump to our freedoms. We have a Stalin/Maduro-like situation, and that is why we must restore the GOP to power. Not that I prefer the GOP, but that it is an emergency to the Stalinesque Congress that has taken place.
     
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    FFS man.

    Not showing the whole thing is not “doctoring the messages”.

    And “pence said he wouldn’t do it”………..so I was right, thank you for proving my point.

    Mike Pence saved democracy, and it was an attempt to overthrow a free and fair election.
     
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    AN, their is a 36 page PP that IS the plan.

    Your burying your head in the sand and screaming “nuh uh” at every turn. We LITERALLY have their plan documented out, and we know for a FACT the the only reason we still have democracy in the United States was because MIke Pence refused to do it.

    So please explain what the PP was, and why they didn’t use it ?
     
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