Educate yourselves on Ukraine, it's not what your government says

But we still do it. So the idea that we are the good guys here is laughable. Globally not every place shares our values and we inforce it on those who do not. Russia is going to do what we do to Ukraine.

This was avoidable if Brandon was a bit more understanding of Russia's concerns. He helped force their hand. And now Ukraine pays. Not Biden. Not Nato. Just Ukraine. This was all shitty.

 

Ukraine, just like the USA is a free country capable of making it's own decisions about it's future, Putin nor us have any right to dictate to them.

 

It's not an excuse. Things were fine for years with Ukraine just being a sat state that was independent.

 

That's correct but to assume they will not react to certain outcomes is just being woefully ignorant.

 

It is called history... you may want to step back and learn from it instead of creating cute little words.

 

Ukraine did nothing to change that. Neither did the U.S. or NATO. Putin did.

 

WHATABOUTISM

 

Looks like we need to go back to what was working... put Trump back in office.

 

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/russia-ukraine-putin-nato-invasion-demands-rcna9116

Were you not paying attention?

Dec. 17, 2021, 7:56 AM EST / Updated Dec. 17, 2021, 7:58 AM EST
"Russia on Friday published draft security pacts demanding NATO deny membership to Ukraine and other ex-Soviet countries and to roll back its military deployments in Central and Eastern Europe — bold demands that the United States and its allies already have rejected."
"The draft pacts — a Russia-U.S. security treaty and a security agreement between Moscow and NATO — contain obligations to pull back weapons and refrain from drills near the borders between Russia and the alliance members."

We said **** you.

Now you can come back and declare that he has no business telling us who can and can't be a member and you are correct, HOWEVER the reality is that just as we would react should we feel threated that Russian or Chinese military were starting to build up too close to our borders...so too will other nations who feel threatened by us.

Bottom line here; Russia has hundreds of nukes and a nuclear sub parked somewhere near our coast.

January 23, 2022
https://www.americanpartisan.org/20...with-160-nukes-on-board-appears-off-us-coast/
(this was a message reminding us that we can be touched...)

The last thing, the most DISASTEROUS thing here is to make Putin feel desperate and backed into a corner. Because if he goes scorched Earth...we all lose. And I'm so ****ing sorry but none of that is worth Ukraine becoming a NATO member.

Brandon handled this wrong.

 

Putin will never decide for the Ukrainian people.

 

Negative. If for some reason we distance ourselves from other nations enough to make it an attractive offer for them to allow China or Russia to occupy their territory, then we have absolutely no right to get offended.

Maybe there is a purpose to all that "aid" we dish out. Maybe we should purchase land in Cuba so that China cant occupy without paying excessive rent, etc etc. Allow contractors to protect their own interests, with federal funding stipulations.

Russia is in the wrong, period. They cant compare to us.
China can have their missile base on Cuba. For $1 Billion/hr, and impossible to meet building standards that would revolutionize our construction industry.

 

Yes I know Putin made demands. So what? I know Putin doesn't want to be close to NATO. But he already is close to it and taking Ukraine will make more of it close. Were you paying attention or simply repeating the propaganda? Stop repeating what you read on the internet and use some common sense. It will always serve you better than the media way better than believing Putin. The fear of NATO is a coverup and an excuse to expand his real estate. It is the only thing Putin gains from the invasion. It changes nothing with where NATO countries are located. Ukraine is the largest buffer between Russia and Poland, Romania etc.

 

It's not about right and wrong. Ffs

You are living in a fantasy land. It's only about reality in how people will react and in how to negotiate around that reality.

Geopolitics appears to be difficult for some people. If it were simply about right and wrong you and I would be in agreeance and the United States would have done a third or less of it's war mongering globally.

But it's not about right or wrong. And you and I don't control hundreds of nukes. These are serious stakes and you are treating it like it's some "i'm morally better" game.

 

Putin's goal is likely to keep Ukraine as a satellite stat but is going to regime change. They will still not be near NATO. Kind a like what they did to Georgia.

When the US at the last minute pushed NATO into sending out a statement at the Bucharest summit back in 2008, that both Georgia and Ukraine are going to be future NATO members, Georgia took that to mean NATO was going to back them up so they got uppity with Russia and Russia bitch slapped them back down to reality and there hasn't been a peep since.

Wreckless messaging brought on by the Obama administration whom apparently doesn't respect how Putin will react to such things. And Biden appears to be in the same idiot boat where Georgia and Ukraine pay for this democratic stupidity.

Here, Watch this ffs. This guy walks you through the chain of events and how Putin's government thinks.

 

Then he needs to go through the proper channels and pay for it.
What he cant afford to?

No one should respect tantrums. You sound like a coddling lib now.

 

LOL oh man. Do you not have the ability to step into Russia's shoes to try and predict how they are going to react to various outcomes or situations? Is everything about moral right and wrong? Moral values/right and wrong are all based on perspective. It's not all encompassing. To Putin and the Russians, he feels he is in the moral right.

Geopolitcis should not be this hard of a struggle here.

 

I can't watch internet videos because of metered internet service. If Ukraine becomes a satellite, then that satellite will border NATO member countries. This action has nothing to do with NATO. That is completely illogical. It changes nothing. It is all an excuse to expand territory. Conquered territory is only possible benefit Putin can gain from this war. It can't possibly make NATO less dangerous to him. It likely will have the opposite effect. He knows that. I know that. You should know that. Use your common sense.

 

Which is why cash is king, and politics do come second.
Follow the money, Putins goal can be achieved with currency, not lives.

 

It will be as it was before except with a government loyal to Putin's interests...and likely corrupt as ****. Does that help?

 

No amount of money can buy the value of sovereignty. Which Putin feels is threatened with a Ukraine NATO membership. None.

Which is why Biden's super sanctions are not going to change anything here.

 

Heh, yea right. if you cant purchase the person, buy their boss..in this case the people.
Turn Russia against his desires. Render them inefficient. Capitalism, and freedom will prevail over communism and dictatorship.

 

No. We just disagree. We'll leave it at that.

 

OH FOR **** SAKES.

Stop reading into west propaganda. The people LOVE Putin. Right or wrong, they see him as the lone warrior to go up against the authoritarian democracy of the western nations. They value nationalist interests and we value diversity.

Understand that they likely don't get left wing/right wing news like we do here. They likely only get CNN nonsense which makes Putin look like a hero. So they love him.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/896181/putin-approval-rating-russia/

 

Then, why the F$%k do Trump supporters such as yourself think Russia gave 2 s$%ts about who was sitting in the white house.
You contradict your self. You are providing evidence as to why this was always going to happen, and Trump only dodged a bullet, when he failed to achieve a second term.
That Putin was not "shaking in his boots" due to any BS some may have imagined Trump projecting. Putin simply had a date, and a few days ago happen to be that date, if things failed to go his way.

People keep clamoring to reelect Trump, so tell us for what? So he can congratulate Putin on being a hypocrite and a liar?
So you can kick the can down the road for your kids to deal with?

 

Trump CLEARLY had a different policy in dealing with Putin. CLEARLY. You all think he hugged up to him when likely all he did was assure him that Ukraine no Nato and gave him space and respect.

Brandon is being a dick head and the stakes here are nuclear war. For all the ****ing war mongering you thought Trump was going to do, here comes Brandon! Thinks he can get Ukraine on the western side of the ledger regardless as to how Russia may feel about it and now Russia is invading Ukraine. Ukrainian people are dying. And we have a Russian nuclear submarine hanging out on our coast "just incase"

This is a very dangerous game Brandon is playing here. Though since we are now in this mess I do think the correct course of action is to stay the **** out of it...and let Russia and Ukraine figure this out. So Brandon is doing the right thing now. But don't kid yourselves. He and Nato are part of the cause of this ****.

It's not like Ukraine was all in on the west either, they are a divided nation.