Educated vs "Non-Educated"

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  1. chris155au

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    What the hell does this have to do with anything?

    Well the majority of the ones who went to college went to insane liberal HELLHOLES! The ones that didn't go to college did not.
     
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    Americans are suckers who allow themselves to be screwed over. Any argument at all? great job GOP.
     
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    Facts are liberal now. Misinformation is conservative.
     
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    Based on what?
     
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    My apologies for not getting back quicker - this is a semi coherent post :)

    You were claiming that religious bias affects the Christian Post - with respect to its reporting on Christians being attacked in Syria.
    There is no benefit to the GOP - by reporting on Christians being killed - at a time when no one knew what was to come.

    I will leave this here. Your argument of bias is bogus.

    The religious right cares about Christians getting attacked - so do I -and so should you. The idea that they just made this stuff up - for some GOP agenda - is just not tenable.

    But aside from that - what the article says is true from other sources - hoards of them - it is not some big secret that this Islamist Jihadist proxy army targeted Christians - and many other minority groups - right from the get go - and posted video's on Youtube.

    How many examples would you like ? 10 - 20 ? even that would not satisfy you.

    The rest of your post was more coherent.


    Tough economic times always inspire more civil unrest - can't argue with that. This certainly aided somewhat - but the root causes are far deeper - and that is where religious dogma comes in.

    The root cause is that a large segment of the population are radical Islamists - the kind of people who would spit on a woman for showing her ankles .. strict fundamentalists - Strict sharia theocracy is what they want - and are willing to engage in violence - and "Holy Jihad"/Martyrdom - for the cause.

    On the other side you had the people of Syria - who while not liking Assad much - were terrified of the Jihadists - especially the Christians and other groups. Compared to these nut-jobs - Assad was a cakewalk - the only really restrictive rule being - don't criticize the Gov't - Like in China, Saudi Arabia, and many other nations.

    The Islamists hate "Secularism" - Syria has alcohol and dancing in bars - women wear skirts and proper bathing suits - Christian Churches and relative freedom of religion - Assad has Christian Generals and other bureaucrats on his payroll. Please point to me where this exists in El Saud - or Iran ?

    There was no death penalty for adultery, homosexuality, apostasy - women did not need a male relative in tow to go out on a date.

    Syria was the more free than most Muslim nations - by far - but, they had problems with a rather large segment of society - the radical Islamists.

    When they took up arms against the state - we jumped in and led a global effort to arm the rebels.

    Let us assume - for the moment - that we didn't know - in the beginning - and that this was a civil uprising - rather than an armed insurgency.

    OK - I can grant that - not happily - as it is still a violation of international law to arm an insurgency in a foreign nation - and there was simply no valid justification for this violation - even on a good day.

    Within 6 months - to anyone that was watching - this was movement dominated by radical Islamist's

    From the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA) - in early 2012
    http://www.judicialwatch.org/wp-con...12-DOD-Release-2015-04-10-final-version11.pdf

    and the longer the conflict went on - the more dominant the radical Islamists became. In the above memo - if you read the full version - they bring up the possibility of these radical Islamists setting up a caliphate - which is exactly what they did a year and a half later.

    At what point do you pull the plug ?

    We armed and supported this movement for many years after that point. In 2015 Obama is still talking about Moderate Rebels - trying to provide cover for this dirty deed.

    By 2013 - almost all the cities in Syria outside Assads control - were under the control of "the Rebels" - all of these cities were turned into Strict Sharia nightmares - dark age style - complete with public hangings and other inventive ways to kill people publicly. Rape - forced marriage - genocide - kidnapping - and the list goes on.

    Where are these "Moderates" what major city did they hold ? At this point every news source covering this issue - including the NY-times - is reporting that the movement is dominated by radical Islamist's - and moderates are nowhere to be found.

    https://www.dailysabah.com/mideast/...-officials-in-2013-former-ambassador-confirms

    Here we have our folks meeting with leaders of the "Islamic Front" including what was called Syria's biggest rebel group Ahrar al Sham.
    Take into account that this is a Turkish news paper and that the are arming and supporting the rebels at the time ... and so there may be some spin. This matters not - what matters is that this meeting happened to begin with.

    Both the Islamic Front and Ahrar - al - Sham are vicious radical Islamists - who made no secret of their desire to turn Syria into a Strict Sharia Theocracy.

    Let us assume for a moment - that this group are not head choppers. What are we doing supporting a group who are radical Islamist Jihadists - against the moderate people of Syria fighting to keep their freedom ?

    Riddle me that one -

    What is even more astounding - by 2015 - well over a year after the time when there is no doubt in any sound minded human - that radical Islamist nut jobs have taken over every major city in Syria not controlled by Assad - Obama is parading around looking for Moderate Rebels to arm with sophisticated US technology.

    Arm some rebels against the side that is fighting to keep their freedoms - and not be taken over by the strict sharia nightmare that exists all over the rest of the country.

    We were on the side of Evil - it is tough I know - but that is what the History books have already recorded - By History we will be indicted- and found guilty - of war crimes/crimes against humanity.
     
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    My apologies for not even reading this long winded totally incoherent post....Mine was backed by science, your’s by wishful thinking...climate change is real, religious based decisions and conversations are a waste of time.
    Moving on.
     
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    We are just not talking of planting trees. We are still building solar homes, installing solar on existing homes. We are still building water, wind, nuclear and solar power plants. GM is converting all their vehicles over to totally electric. Every major automaker has some electric car models and keep adding more each year. We even test flew a new electric airplane a couple of months ago. Last month Arizona closed down their coal fired power plant. Building a huge solar plant East of Mesa. It sure isn't like America has stopped fighting pollution and global warming and still built the hottest economy on the planet. Obama put on so many regulations and highest taxes in the whole industrial world, he chased millions of our good paying jobs away. What we do will have little effect when we allow countries like China who signed the Paris Accords, but are exempt from their rules till 2030 to build hundreds of coal powered plants all around the globe. As for investing in infrastructure, where were the Democrats when Obama was looking for jobs to rebuild the economy, your two biggest Blue states hired the Chinese to build their roads and bridges for them



    www.pri.org › stories › california-turns-chinese-company-labor-build...

    California, NY, turns to Chinese company, labor to build most of infrastructure


    Oct 19, 2011 - Much of the actual construction of San Francisco's new Bay Bridge was ... It's not just California turning to China for help with large-scale infrastructure projects. Chinese companies have helped renovate the New York City rail ...


    unearthed.greenpeace.org › china-new-coal-plants-2030-climate

    China's power industry calls for hundreds of new coal power ...


    Mar 28, 2019 - The cap would enable China to build 2 large coal power stations a month for the next 12 years, and grow the country's capacity by an amount ..
     
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    Yah, Fox News doesn’t even broadcast Trump asking Russia, China and Ukraine and any breathing humanoid for election help. But I wouldn’t expect the right with limited sources to a knowledge that.....For an elected official to make these public statements, is treason.
     
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    I did not dispute the fact that climate change can lead to more civil unrest. - you just can't deal with the reality that arming radical Islamist Jihadists - in the case of Syria - led to genocide - war crimes - and crimes against humanity.
     
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    Then the right should stop starting wars in the Middle East to begin with.....
    The Bush lead invasion in Iraq has gone down as a the biggest Middle East and possibly world wide military blunder in history. It has dislocated, killed and disenfranchised so many middles easterners that we’re once positive toward the US, it has created a never ending breeding found for terrorism.

    Coupled with the effects of climate change, with the US protecting oil fields and not people, there is no reason why an ally one day would become a foe the next. The idea that Obama, who was actually sane would lead an effort to blatantly arm terrorists is right wing tripe.
     
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    One of thousands of Obama's regulations that drove up prices and doesn't work.

    www.instituteforenergyresearch.org › the-grid › does-dishwasher-reg...

    DOE Regulations Mandate Dishwashers that Don't Wash Well ...


    Sep 15, 2015 - DOE Regulations Mandate Dishwashers that Don't Wash Well. ... Even though dishwasher regulations were revised only three years ago, the administration's new regulation will make it much more difficult for new dishwashers to do the two things they were invented to do—wash dishes and save people's time.
     
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    I suppose the auto emissions standards haven’t worked. You now have more reliable cars then ever that pollute less then the right if left alone would be selling. Coal powered buggies would be the envy of the right’s bogus response to climate change.
     
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    Two bi partisan investigations stated the the war was started on bad intelligence. The different intelligent agencies disagreed on what WMD Iraq had, but all agreed that Iraq had WMD and what they didn't have they were trying to obtain and would be a danger to America and it's neighbors. They also agreed that Congress got the same intelligence that Bush got. If you want to talk about blunders, you only have to look at Obama.


    • Expert: Obama Fails Kurds, Who Are 'Begging for Arms ...
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      Sep 30, 2014 · President Barack Obama has pledged to protect and arm Syrians and Iraqis facing terrorist attacks by the Islamic State (ISIS) but has so far failed to protect Kurds on the Turkish border of Syria, said Robert Zubrin, a senior fellow with the Center for Security Policy
    • Obama refuses to provide the Kurds weapons to defend ...
      https://reform4syria.org/obama-give-the-kurds-weapons-to-defend-themselves
      Oct 03, 2014 · As Barack Obama refused to arm the Free Syrian Army for over three years and refused to arm the Ukrainian Government to defend themselves from the Assad and the Putin terrors, now comes to our attention that Obama is refusing to provide the Kurds with weapons even as ISIL besieges the town of Kobani (Also called Ayn al-Arab).



      OBAMA REFUSES TO GIVE JORDAN DRONES TO BATTLE ISIS! (Video!)
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      Obama and the State Dept. Have refused a request by Jordan to send unarmed Predator drones saying that 'Jordan is not a strong enough ally of the U.S.




      CIA director Brennan admits ISIS was “decimated” under Bush, but ...
      www.aei.org/.../brennan-admits-isis-was-decimated-under-bush-but-has-grown-under-...

      Nov 17, 2015 - by the CIA's own estimate, ISIS has grown on President Obama's watch from just 700 fighters to between 20000 and 31500 fighters. ... Admission: The Islamic State was “decimated” under George W. Bush and had just “700-or-so adherents left” following the surge in Iraq. Said Brennan: [ISIS] was, you know
      U.S. Pilots: Obama blocks 75% of ISIS strikes - WND
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      Nov 20, 2015 · U.S. Pilots: Obama blocks 75% of ISIS strikes 'We can't get clearance even when we have a clear target in front of us'

      Hillary or Obama can't be charged with anything. But they still are guilty as hell for their deaths. They helped take Kaddafi out and just walked away,letting Libya fall into the hands of terrorist and ISIS. The country was a mess and no help was sent. Why didn't they pull them out like many of the other countries did? Hillary said she didn't get all the calls for help. They went to the African office instead. But they knew what kind of condition Libya was in, why didn't they call and see if they were ok or needed more security? Why didn't they pull them out?
      Obama: Aftermath of Gaddafi overthrow, 'worst mistake as ...
      www.africanews.com/2016/04/11/obama-aftermath-of...
      US President Barack Obama has said the worst mistake of his presidency was a lack of planning for the aftermath of the 2011 toppling of Libyan strongman Muammar Gaddafi.
      Britain to pull embassy staff out of Libya
      News.yahoo.com/Britain-pull-embassy-staff-Libya...
      Aug 02, 2014 · Britain was one of the last western countries with an embassy open in Tripoli after two weeks of street fighting between Britain to pull embassy staff out of Libya Home


      Obama never got serious fighting ISIS till his last year in office. By then it was to late. Thousands murdered. Millions homeless and millions fled to Europe where it will never be the same again. Neither will America.
     
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    Trouble is, the American taste has changed. Americans aren't building many cars anymore. The public wants SUV's and trucks. They use more fuel and pollute more and regulations has to be changed to account for that.
     
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    It has nothing to do with taste...it’s practicality.

    Though Americans are moving to trucks and SUVs, they are rapidly moving to Hybrids. The neglect of out infrastructure and roads as much as any single reason, has necessitated the move away form ground hugging, less practical cars in many areas.

    It’s the aerodynamics of cars that max out economy over drivability on roads that tear up the undercarriage that is doing in cars. They aren’t practical anymore....ever try to get in and out of one ?

    The biggest selling non-trucks, the CRV and the RAV are still among the most efficient. That’s where the US is headed. Ford and Toyota are now transitioning over to hybrid tech in Trucks.....so economy is still the big driving factor, much to the dismay of the right.
     
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    Stable oil prices brought about by decisions made by the left, not the right.

    Why would you buy a ground hugging car when Toyota will soon sell you a more upright vehicle with space provided by a RAV that goes 0-60 in 5 plus seconds, averages 40 mpg and goes the first 40 miles on electricity alone ?
     
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    Exactly. There are openings everywhere with people with education without stem major degrees. Health care providing jobs alone helps drive the economy today. This is why the right was reluctant to instantly do away with Obama care provisions .
    The economy would crash. Education in all fields is important regardless of stem being the single biggest need.
     
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    Presidents — regardless of party — tend to take credit for good things that happen under their watch, regardless of how much influence their actions may have had. Exhibit A: Former President Barack Obama said the fact that the United States is now the world’s biggest oil producer didn’t happen “suddenly.” Instead, “that was me, people.”

    Crude oil production did grow significantly during Obama’s presidency — up 77 percent — but experts, including the federal government’s Energy Information Administration, have said the growth is largely due to technological advances, such as fracking and horizontal drilling.
     
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    GM Is Going All Electric, Will Ditch Gas- and Diesel ...
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    Brilliant argument. There is incredible lack of curiosity about the truth in the GOP. Whatever you do don't change the channel because there is only one relatively tiny GOP propaganda machine run by Rupert Murdoch basically. The rest of the world and law enforcement disagrees totally.
     
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    And of course Obama not interfering with market forces except to make fracking as safe as possible. As opposed to what GOP propaganda goes on endlessly about without any retractions ever so the GOP can have their own alternate planet.
     
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    General Motors plans to go 100 percent electric, the Detroit automaker announced Monday.

    GM currently offers one extended-range electric vehicle, the Chevrolet Bolt EV, but will add two others within 18 months, said Executive Vice President Mark Reuss, with “at least 20” to be in the line-up by 2023. In addition, the company is developing a new truck platform powered by hydrogen fuel cells, dubbed Surus, short for Silent Utility Rover Universal Superstructure.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/business/au...ic-will-ditch-gas-diesel-powered-cars-n806806
     
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    Right, those nasty Republicans doesn't care anything about the environment they have to live in. You don't think I care what kind of planet we leave my children and grandchildren?
     

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