Educated vs "Non-Educated"

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  1. hellofromwarsaw

    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    Seems to be the usual scary headline to get clicks. Yes yes someday in the future this may happen. Not scary.
     
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    hellofromwarsaw Well-Known Member

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    I believe you are misinformed. The GOP is the leader worldwide at doing nothing about global warming. The GOP is also the world leader in corrupt lobbyists and swampy corporate garbage....
     
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    I just put down what we are doing for the environment. Did you over look it? Do you think we are going to do away with cows, airplanes, ships? Try and build a sky scraper without steel. They sure can stop using all glass buildings though.
     
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    I would say that is the very distant future. Hydrogen fuel cells have some very basic problems. One of which is getting the hydrogen to start with. Like all such conversions, it requires more energy to separate it than you can get out of it. Hydrogen would have to be under tremendous pressure to carry enough of it to get the range most people want. It takes me back to the Hindenburg which used all hydrogen for lift. Likely, it would be safer to make the vehicles nuclear than to use hydrogen. I can just imagine having the local filling station refueling all those hydrogen vehicles. Everything from explosions to people freezing their hands off when a bit of that very cold hydrogen gets on them.
     
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    Only the GOP propaganda machine goes on about that kind of scary stuff. Of course we're not going to do away with any of those things. Market forces run that kind of stuff.
     
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    I can attest to that, having been involved in product design. There are psychologists and marketers, artists and accountants, in addition to engineers and scientists, consultants of every kind. Even the organization of a company, all its intricacies and internal workings are often the result of the efforts of people with degrees in subjects that may seem unimportant to those who don’t know enough to know.
     
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    I have been part of product design also. There was not a single person on the team that was not an engineer or at least had a very technical knowledge of the subject. Likely they might have talked to someone else, but they were far from being an integral part of the design. I would say that depends very much on what they are designing.
     
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    Nobody expected isis to be a problem until all of a sudden the Iraq army just ran LOL. Could we please get the hell out of there LOL
     
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    Only the GOP goes on about that scary stuff. My God, the Left has the world believing it will end in 10 years. If we don't do away with most everything we'll all burn up.
     
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    It seems that the only place hydrogen cells work is in Iceland. There they have excess accessible geothermal energy from which to power the process to separate out the hydrogen. The island is small so long distance driving is not an issue.
     
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    Actually scientists say that is the deadline for doing something or it won't be possible to do anything. Not what you are misinformed about.... As long as the GOP runs the tax rates in a huge giveaway to the rich, we will not have enough money to do anything worthwhile. Infrastructure and the middle class have been going to hell for 35 years now.
     
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    Bush on national television admitted there were no wmd.
    Case closed on that. Second, anyone in the military knows that intel is presented as science with a percent of predictability.

    The administration was going to war and literally, cooked the books.
     
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    Let Russia and Iran handle isis. The orange genius has given Syria and Iraq to them already.
     
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    Hydrogen is otherwise, a great fuel.....it’s just too energy consuming now to extract in usable quantities.
     
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    They ran in the first city they took over and they were so bloody about it they scared the hell out of them. But obviously it didn't scare Obama that much. He did practically nothing against them till American heads were chopped off and public pressure made him act. Even then he did little to stop them till his last year in office. He allowed them to grow like they did. Took over almost half of Iraq and recruited more with each city and town they captured. The man was a disaster fighting ISIS and Europe and America are paying for it with all these refugees running to Europe and here.
     
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    Electric. Ehicles work well in a narrow band of supporting infrastructure. Remote areas and cold climates are both the enemy of electric vehicles. That’s why, electrics will find their way into cars and the smaller the better. SUVs and trucks will lean towards hybrids.
     
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    That is another Liberal lie. They didn't come in till Obama tried to get rid of Syria's Assad. What in hell made Obama and Hillary think Russia and Iran would sit back and do nothing and allow the West and America take out their biggest Allie in the Middle East?
     
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    they aren't coming here, we've limited it to like 20,000 while the EU has taken 7 million. And it all is the result of GOP adventurism and stupidity in foreign policy since Reagan. How is his pal Saddam doing? You may notice that they are all sick of Americans.... The Kurds did most of the fighting against isis and unlike Obama Trump has totally betrayed them. Great job! Time to get the heck out of the whole area and go back to reality, such as the Obama deal that stopped Iran from getting nukes for 15 years easily renewed instead of the mess we have now. I hope it works out for Trump but history does not show that would be typical LOL.
     
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    Ha ha
    Sure. The stable genius knows what he’s doing. He can’t even keep a sane advisor in his admin. It’s easy to judge the competency of anyone in government. It you disagree with your own government agencies, the military, every other government, the most relevant institutions and businesses in the world, then you’re too incompetent to go to the bathroom by yourself.

    “AGW is a Chinese hoax “ tells us everything you need to know about Trump the traitor ind the Traitor enabler, Moscow Mitch, and the most of the gop. Seriously, you actually think that Trump et al has the brains to do anything Putin hasn’t directed him to do ?
     
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    Ha ha
    Keep following the wizard and his munchkins...
     
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    Gee, at least GM doesn’t think AGW is a Chinese hoax....
     
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    Military, scientific, and industrial products tend to be engineers and scientists only. But the product inception, the early meetings typically involve marketing or other such strategy guiding persons. I’ve also worked with Industrial Designers, who tend to be concerned mostly with aesthetics. And I have sat in meetings, where the psychological effects on competitors and customers were taken into account.

    There is a science behind ergonomics that is often in the realm of psychologists, sociologists, and physiologists. Even patents are often just applied for, for appearances. For the psychological effect on others. It even gets more specialized in high volume, high stakes consumer products. In the end though, it was always an engineer who put pencil to paper to turn the product idea into a buildable physical reality.

    That is what killed Chrysler Corporation. The accountants that ran the company didn’t think engineers mattered. That is until they discovered that without good engineers, everything turns to crap.
     
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    Im just not responding to spin and wild accusations.
     
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    No, it's treason if he offers something of value to get that information that makes it wrong.
     
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    You listen to to many Liberal lies.
    Sorry, Joe: Team Obama refused to arm Ukraine at all

    https://nypost.com › 2019/10/09 › sorry-Joe-team-obama-refused-to-arm-u...

    Oct 9, 2019 - Team Obama feared that lethal aid would provoke Moscow. ... The aid in question is lethal military assistance that the Obama-Biden administration refused to give Ukraine. ... “President Barack Obama stuck to his refusal to provide weapons or ... And yet Team Obama did nothing, failing to carry out even .


    U.S. Cancels Part of Missile Defense That Russia Opposed ...

    https://www.nytimes.com › 2013/03/17 › world › Europe › with-eye-on-nort...

    Mar 17, 2013 - At one such meeting, in South Korea last March, Mr. Obama was heard ... The antimissile program provoked sharp criticism in Poland, but this ...


    Obama refuses to provide the Kurds weapons to defend ...
    https://reform4syria.org/obama-give-the-kurds-weapons-to-defend-themselves
    Oct 03, 2014 · As Barack Obama refused to arm the Free Syrian Army for over three years and refused to arm the Ukrainian Government to defend themselves from the Assad and the Putin terrors, now comes to our attention that Obama is refusing to provide the Kurds with weapons even as ISIL besieges the town of Kobani (Also called Ayn al-Arab).


    OBAMA REFUSES TO GIVE JORDAN DRONES TO BATTLE ISIS! …
    https://americasfreedomfighters.com/obama-refuses-to-give-jordan-drones-to-battle-isis...
    Obama and the State Dept. Have refused a request by Jordan to send unarmed Predator drones saying that 'Jordan is not a strong enough ally of the U.S.


    US Pilots Confirm: Obama Admin Blocks 75% of ISIS Strikes
    https://freebeacon.com/.../us-pilots-confirm-obama-admin-blocks-75-percent-of-isis-strikes
    Nov 20, 2015 · U.S. Pilots Confirm: Obama Admin Blocks 75 Percent of Islamic State Strikes ‘We can’t get clearance even when we have a clear target in front of us’ A …



    CIA director Brennan admits ISIS was “decimated” under Bush, but ...
    www.aei.org/.../brennan-admits-isis-was-decimated-under-bush-but-has-grown-under-...

    Nov 17, 2015 - by the CIA's own estimate, ISIS has grown on President Obama's watch from just 700 fighters to between 20000 and 31500 fighters. ... Admission: The Islamic State was “decimated” under George W. Bush and had just “700-or-so adherents left” following the surge in Iraq. Said Brennan: [ISIS] was, you know


    Obama brought in Russia and Iran into Syria before Trump ever got elected Steve by trying to take out Assad. Did you forget that? When Obama brought our troops in they were only supposed to be there a couple of months. How long has it been 5,6, 7 years now? If you remember it was one of Trump's promises when he was running to bring them home. Turkey had around three million Syrians that fled to Turkey to get away from the fighting. After most of the fighting was over with ISIS, Turkey wanted to ship them back to Syria and set up a 20 mile safe zone they demanded the Kurds to go to give the Syrians a place to live. It also moved them from the Turkish border where they have been fighting for decades. Trump had no right to stop Turkey. They are a NATO Allie and we're not going to start a war with them over what they wanted to do. Trump warned Turkey not to try and wipe the Kurds out or he would bankrupt the country. Of course the Kurds didn't want to move, they controlled some Syrian oil fields and didn't want to go. So fighting broke out, the Turks got to violent and the V.P, went over and worked out a cease fire and convinced the Kurds to move. It's worked to a large degree, although both sides are still fighting a little. But considering the Kurds and Turks have been fighting each other for decades and they are now mostly over the safe zone and the Syrians are moving back, it pretty much worked out for the better. The heavy fighting only lasted for less than a week.
     
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