End Affirmative Action. Yes / No & Why

If women and Minorities are underrepresented in the top echelons of Society, let Affirmative Action help them. An important group which could use help is the Aspies and people with Mental Problems. Being Neurotic does not make one stupid.

As a man I am much more concerned about issues affecting men. But I have nothing against Affirmative Action.

 

I have average intelligence. I am not stupid -- my title is High Functioning Autistic.

 

Smarter than...?

 

@CCitizen

Smarter than those with a "normal" Social IQ
and over coming "it" with higher intelligence / aptitudes
to function as a productive person in society.


late reader.
never comfortable with it.
luckily went to Medical School that invented synopsis textbooks
No counselor ever supported my goals to be an M.D.

 

Yes, and I have considerably more Semitic blood (both Ashk AND Seph - which is fun. I get to lord it over the 'fake' Euro-Jew) than your examples. Mazel Tov!

 

Don't you notice the partial Jews in your life have a
different view of the world.

Like a different way of viewing the world.​

Truly, no snide remark intended
I find the Jewishness effect is apparent in half Jews or otherwise partial.

Do you get it or must I point it out person to person such as Goldie Hawn.
Named after a grandmother she claims she "feels" Jewish. Pass the bacon

 

It serves valuable public policy objectives in narrow circumstances, and for limited time periods. Our problem is recognizing when to stop, and do so.

 

I say Okay
But, time to stop is NOW.

What say YOU?

 

I say pervasive and large scale discrimination does not work like that. It does not provide us with a national start and stop date. So maybe we don't need it anymore in the schools of Alabama, but we still need it in the police departments and sheriffs departments throughout Boston and its suburbs. Maybe its time to stop worrying about race, and worry a bit more about gender.

 

How about plain ole Best For The Job

 

That works, when you aren't living in a culture that treats some classes as worthy of getting a job or a promotion and some as not for generations based on race, religion, ethnicity etc. The market solutions can in fact be twisted so that community pressures work to punish employers who promote on merit, and that is where affirmative action can be most effective to break through walls that merit based competition simply cannot. Once those walls start coming down and minorities begin to move upword and prove themselves, and preexisting stereotypes are busted, you should not need affirmative action any longer. We have to do a better job or realizing that affirmative action should not be a response to individual injustices, but class injustice.

 

I never said that people are never judged by their race or gender. It happens even more than it should when we have people advocating Affirmative Action.

Overestimating the value of race and gender is just as naive.

Yes, have been.

It actually does. Sure, there will always be individual cray-crays, but who cares about them?

I like nothing from the government, so no idea what you are talking about.

Do you even know what Conservatism is?

 

So, if we apply the intersectionality based framework of identity politics onto Jewishness, which Jews are the "Privileged oppressors" and which are the "Oppressed victims"?

I am guessing Ashkenazi are the privileged and maybe Mizarahi(?) are the oppressed?

Lulz.

 

It's an interesting phenomenon, and yes, I would say we felt something before we knew. The Catholicism expressed by my father's family was considerably more ritualised, and there was an exotic intensity to it that was unlike the standard English/Irish expression of it in this country. We all knew they were different, but thought it was just 'strong' catholicism (which it was technically, since they didn't know their own origins).

As for a different view of the world ... yes, I think that is so. In particular a slight disconnection from the WASP (white anglo-saxon protestant) majority. Given so many family members have married outside of that group, I'm assuming it's not just me . It's not a race thing, either - it's definitely a culture thing. Could be a result of the exotic catholicism, or the indigenous (lived) experience we absorbed from now dead relatives, or something else entirely. But it's definitely there.

 

Black and Asian Jews are the bottom, Arab Jews next, Sephardim second 'highest', and White Jews (Ashk) at the top. And yes, that pisses me off

Edited to add that Sephards and Mizrahim are now having fun with the whole 'fake Jew' thing, so the tide is turning.

 

It said she was my half sister. That would mean that my father and sister-in-law produced the child.My brother and sister-in-law were in France for two years unless my father snuck on a plane impregnated my sister-in-law and then came back LOL

Huh?the New York Times vilifies men???
-If men get longer sentences than women, you shouldn’t fight for women to get longer sentences you should fight for men to get shorter sentences
-You should be fighting that male victims of domestic violence should get helped the same way women did that for themselves
-Women lose in divorce most times

 

it doesn’t allow women and blacks to vote. That’s discrimination!

 

1) I do criticize US Justice System for its harshness especially toward men.

2) I do to the best of my ability given my situation. I remind every man that his primary moral duty is to help male victims of abuse and discrimination.

 

Oy vey, lol...

And since that was remedied with amendments - where is the government authorized to discriminate??

You're the one who wants to discriminate, not me.

Where are you and the government getting the authority to discriminate??

You can't say the Civil Rights Act, b/c that is nothing more than a common law, and common law cannot supercede the Constitution.

So, again, where in the Constitution is the government authorized to discriminate for or against anyone??

 

It might be a little difficult because most men don’t feel that they are victims of abuse and discrimination. Most men just look around and see that all the power is mostly white males. But I think that many black men get undeserved prison sentences or is this only about white men..If you want to use your prison sentencing it is usually white men that don’t even go to jail for the same crime so maybe you better divide your movement in half

 

I don’t see men as being discriminated against. I guess you just don’t like seeing others get what they were denied.what-are white men being discriminated against for?

 

My Ethical Duty is to educate men about the way they face discrimination. My Ethical Duty is to encourage every sane man and every ethical woman to join us in supporting male victims of Domestic Violence and other abuses.

Of course it is a hard and tedious work. Of course my role is very minor compared to outstanding women and men who raise these issues and have thousands or tens of thousands of Twitter followers.

If my position offends anyone that is irrelevant. Of course, unwanted negative attention is a nuisance. I rarely respond to any mockery, but it makes me a little sick.

 

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Morning, Mid Day, Evening,
National too;
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I supported White Straight Men Liberation before it was popular.

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Moi

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I am not White. But it is my ethical duty to educate at least some people -- mostly men about the issues facing men. I could have reached a much wider audience on Twitter or YouTube.

But being mobbed/stalked would be bad for my mental health.

 

obviously it is very relevant to you. And I respect your opinion because there are men who are victims of domestic violence. But since women and children are usually the victims of domestic violence I focus on that. I am sure there are children who hit their parents as well...and that’s a cause also, but I focus on child abuse more.