Events similar to 9/11: Pirelli Tower, Empire State Building

And STILL there was NO indication of any thermite having been used on the towers

There WERE numerous steel weakening fires,however....

 

Yes there were.

1. White characteristic smoke, some of it emerging from the bottom of the towers.
2. Pyroclastic, (very hot, cauliflower smoke billowing outward at high speed)
3.Molten metal pouring from the structures
4. Microscopic bi-layered chips which exhibited the energetic properties of nano-thermite; according to a Professor whose specialty is in that area.
5. Satellite photos of high temperatures taken of the rubble which showed much higher temperatures than expected.
6. High levels of elements such as beryllium which are possible signatures of some types of thermite
7. Eutectic sulphadated intergranular melting of steel structure found in the rubble which cannot be explained by the presence of sulfur in gypsum board.
8. Eye witness accounts of melting STEEL, ie NOT just "some metal" dripping off it, but the melted ENDS of beams and columns which reignited upon recovery
9. Microscopic iron rich spheres whose presence were verified by multiple sources the cause of which has never been determined.
10. AND all the other EYE WITNESSES including the one I just posted above whose testimonies you so blithely ignore.

Under any other circumstances you people would acknowledge that these are a sufficient number of clues to cause an official inquiry according to the protocols for investigations of arson and homicide.
If there was any sane way to pin this on the Arabs too you wouldn't have objected in the first place. But any reasonable person could not reach any other conclusion than the one I have proposed here and you know it.

The perpetrators also knew it in advance. That's why arrangements were made to dispose of as much evidence as possible as quickly as possible and why only select people were allowed to make a cursory tour of the site with only limited access at that.


As I said earlier, youskies have the ignorance of an overly propagandized and misinformed public on your side. But more importantly you have the full power of the Zio-media and the DHS backed Zionist Occupational Government backing your fabrications.

But we have the truth and I'll content myself with that.

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=336578&page=47&p=1063471372#post1063471372

 

No. It is your delusion. 9/11 was a low-tech job that required a mind set totally alien to your typical cloak-and-dagger black operative.

Israel does not need our economy to utterly tank as it did under Bush the Lesser.

What nattering jackass told you that? No qualified fire investigator I have read has said anything so mind-numbingly stupid. They all expect a damaged building without proper heat shieling to collapse in a fire like that.

Horse feathers. Your statement is counter-intuitive. You do the maths. So far the whole twoof movement has failed Fire Science 101.

Problem is, nobody but a couple of senile old gits who failed as scholars asserted that there was any. Chucklenuts Jones and that blithering idiot Harrit don't even know the difference between thermite and freaking PAINT chips. Whadda bunch o' maroooooons.

 

Idiot boy Cole invented laws out of his own methane vapors. The mass of a falling pile of debris remains constant until it hits and destroys another target, thus its potential energy is the same when it hits the next target, and is increased thereafter, so that each impact is less impeded by the previous. This is grade-school-level stuff here, people.

 

I don't debate how or why the buildings collapsed the way they did. I wonder what Air force , Navy and Professional instructor pilots wonder. How the hell did two amatuer pilots who have never flown a jet liner make such precise and expert flight paths into the towers? Not to mention the aviator miracle of skimming the ground and striking a 7 story building perfectly like a guided missle
in the most heavily guarded airspace in the world.

 

Seeing as how the second plane almost missed,what was so 'precise and expert' about the flights?

And since when is the airspace around the pentagon the 'most heavily guarded airspace in the world'?

 

good post! too bad the people who really need it, our OSHugging debunker fans wont get it

 

Aight binky...give name of the witnesses who say they 'saw' the above happen...As it is you started going downhill with your 'pyroclastic' crap..

 

in the imaginative vapors of some oshugging trougher of course.

if you enjoy knee deep (*)(*)(*)(*) they haul it in by the truckloads

 

of course not.

 

No. There were fires in the parking lot behind. DUH!

No. There was crushed drywall and concrete dust in the air. That stuff is heavy and will spread out at a high rate. You see the same stuff generated in verinage, but without the enormous quantities of powdered drywall. That sort of crap is generated in a CD, but only at the bottom where the debris piles up. You can see this in that the cloud usually forms at the bottom as debris collides with the ground. That is long after the last explosive charge has been detonated. That it formed at altitude shows that massive amounts of debris are colliding and breaking lower floors faster than the lower floors can get out of the way. Thus, stuff has to move outward, which exerts force on the perimeter columns, thus further stressing the mounting brackets of the floor trusses so that a lesser and lesser weight is needed to separate them. Pay attention to details.

So? There is supposed to be molten metal in a fire that hot. I saw a lot of aluminum, copper, lead and brass slag after much smaller structural firews. Whoever tells you there should not be is stupid. Bear in mind that the metal was seen pouring out of a location known to have contained MASSIVE amounts of both copper and lead sheets, as well as a good pile of aluminum from the wrecked aircraft and the cladding of the building. DERP.

Totally a lie. The chips look exactly like what a shipyard worker would expect to find when he preps a surface for painting. (I would suggest that as a profession to any of you chip enthusiasts. You lack what it takes to be investigators.) Any time I have chipped paint as a day laborer the bottom layer always has bits of oxidized iron attached to the back side. It is part of the manufacturing process that steel forms an oxidized layer. The typical foundry is, of course, not a clean room, including the paint shop, so a lot of welding fume and dust from the forging process gets painted over on the steel at the factory. You people need to know these things, but it seems to minor a detail for you.

As for the way their stuff burned, it burns like paint. The flame is clearly consuming vapors on its surface. The chip emits no light. Thermite consumers itself and produces one hell of a lot of light. No fire fighter would ever mistake what the drooling idiots call thermite for an incendiary charge.

So? There was never a structural fire of that size and nature before in NYC. It could not have anything to do with thermite. Thermite does not burn that long.

Whooptie! It is also the signature of several kinds of paint and electronics components. Before you analyze the contents of fire debris, learn what should be there or not. Beryllium SHOULD be there.

Eutectic melting has (*)(*)(*)(*) to do with thermite. Thermite is basicly thermal. The damage was done by sulphuric acid. There were TONS of it in the pile and more being generated every day as sulfur-containing materials like car tires and rubber fittings and some plastics were consumed. The deposition of copper inter-granularly is not the least bit strange. If you attach one end of a copper wire to an iron nail, bend it into a U-shape and insert both ends into a container of sulphuric acid, it will removed copper from the wire and deposit it on the nail. It is called "ELECTROLYSIS." Look it up. It will make you smarter than Cole or that bearded weirdo Chandler

Pictures or it didn't happen. As for "re-igniting, that would not have been steel igniting, but some Class-A fuel which had been on the object, buried in a hot, low-oxygen environment. Go find some evidence, not just the blather of a non-fire fighter.

Welding fume(you never get all of it put of a building that big,) burnt carbonless copying paper (which is iron and kaolin imbedded in the paper,) rock wool in the cieling tiles and the spray-on foam fire protectant applied later in construction after asbestos was outlawed. Paint burnt at high enough temperatures to reduce small amount of iron oxide pigment. You heat a crystal of iron oxide to reducing temperatures in the presence of a hydrocarbon like epoxy resin, it forms a ball of steel. Move along now, kiddies.

What you heard people say may not mean what you or they think it means, especially in light of your demonstrated lack of knowledge or training in any applicable field.

None of your statements are supported by facts as rational people interpret them. Your obvious political bias has led you to some laughable conclusions.

Cool story, bro. Utter hog slop, of course. There were thousands ors and iron workers and engineers on the pile and not a one of them spotted anything in conflict with the official narrative.

And don't you even try to slander better men than yourself by saying that they could be bought of by threats when they had a chance to hang Rotten Rudy for murdering a few hundred of the brothers. You don't manipulate real men like that. Maybe one of the punks supporting little Dickie Gage and his kiddy-diddling pals, but not real men.

Complete anti-Semitic delusion hog slop.

Are you trying to prove that 9/11 T is a Nazi job?

 

Stating the facts is not "anti-semitic" slop.

"Nazis" have nothing to do with 9/11. Zionist and Israel DO !

 

Trouble is,with all your ranting,you can't PROVE it

 

So flying a a Jet Airliner "free style" while in an active and descending turn is a cakewalk, hey sparky? The fact that as you arent impressed with the plane impact point negates the amazement of Pro pilots? Sounds stupid when you hear it like that right? Hey Captian.. if the plane had smacked into the building a few yards to the left... would you be impressed enough to wonder then?

You dont think the F@#$ing Pentagon has secure airspace... its not being monitored 24/7? . Especially when 2 planes just dive bombed some buildings about 200 miles away... AND a third plane is unaccounted for?. For arguments sake , lets presume that the Pentagon/DC airspace is not the most guarded airspace in the world.... would you at least give it a top 5 ranking?

You lemmings sit here and try to act like your immune to far-fetched plots and theories. You ridicule anybody who doesn't believe , lockstep what the government discovered and missed in its record time investigation. But you hear professional pilots who fly those planes for a living, instructors of the idiots who flew the planes and Navy pilots who land on moving ships say It is impossible for anybody but a veteran specialist pilot to do what was done with those planes" and the best you can come up with is weak-sauce bullshiat like questioning the time the aforementioned airspace received official status of "most guarded". Pathetic... disgusting.. revolting

Go read up on it. You think all these pilots who have nothing to gain and everything to risk just got bored and drunk and said... HEY lets make a website dedicated to helping us voice our concerns about the impossibilities of 9/11. If so, you are willfully ignorant and you live in a rotting country infected with the type of government you so richly deserve

 

Almost missed? That's called a hit. But you're right, if someone only barely manages to perform a spectacular feat on the first try, they must suck.

 

A lot of pilots are self absorbed priques,and there are certianly more than enough of them to fill the ranks of your little'troother' groups,along with the seiously deluded,and just plain wrong,who despite their claims,are dwindling in numbers

 

Look at where the second plane hit,genius,he had to make a banking turn to correct his alignment

 

Nazi have a lot to do with 9/11 twoof. The first idiots out of the box with "evidence" that a child would dismiss were known Nazi scumbags Eric Huffschmid and Christopher Bollyn. Nattering Nazi jackasses, both of them.

Careful what sort of cooties you might pick up from hanging out with scum like that.

 

"Pro pilots" my dying ass. Those clowns at pft! believe Pierre-Henri Bunel is an expert on what a crash scene should look like. Charlatans, the lot of them

No. It is an office building in a rear area. It was never meant to be a fortress. Air defenses generally consisted of keeping aircraft out of range during time of war. There was never a plan for kamikaze airliner attacks because the idea was just too absurd. Do learn something about military strategy before you spout like that.

NO! Airport are a definite no-go, so don't even try to bring that crap to the table.

Yeah, right. Every Nazi psychopath with a military background is selling the same sack of manure, like those jackasses George Nelson and Chris Bollyn and that lying scumbag Phil Jayhan. The fact that those idiots have never ceased trying to sell us the lie that there were "pods" on the planes proves that they have turned against their own country and joined the enemy.

Actually, scum like Nelson do have something to gain by lying. They're Nazi dirtbags. Nelson even talks monumental crap about Waco that any firefighter would laugh out of the room.

 

It looks like the dumb SOB was supposed to land on the roof to spread burning jet fuel over the widest area from top to bottom. That would have been my target. Sprinkler systems and heat-activate fire doors work best against fires on the floor ABOVE the fire. You certainly do not want a fusible link letting a door slam in your face, do you? You probably do not want a fusable link sprinkling on your paperwork a floor below a controllable fire.

Do give these things some thought before you post how they could have damaged the buildings even more.

 

If one had been aiming for the roof, it would make sense that both would be. But it doesn't appear that that was the case. Just because it would have been your target doesn't mean that it was theirs. The points of impact actually achieved were obviously pretty damn good if they did indeed cause total failure in 3 buildings with two planes.

I never posted any such thing, and it's pretty hard to imagine doing more damage than the complete obliteration that occurred.

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And the "pilot" was obviously good enough to make that turn, yes?

 

They all had commercial licenses and had been trained for commercial jets, so yes.

 

I just don't know what the proper response to a direct lie is.
I mean, is there a polite way of calling it?

Some people just like to bluster, as though that's a good substitute for a sound argument.

What you need to come to terms with fellow Truth seekers, is that these people already know themselves what the evidence indicates. Their objective is to cover it up, pure and simple. They won't change their tune under any circumstances because they know what is at stake. You needn't expect them to.

You can only hope to reach as many people who are unaware of the evidence as possible who do not have a vested interest in perpetuating the monumental LIE about 9/11.

The only way to cover a lie is with more lies.

People who either love lies or who are disinterested in the truth are beyond anything that you or I can do about it anyway.

 

Sorry. Having a bit of a chemo brain moment there. When you mentioned the "impossible turn," I was thinking of the Pentagon plane, which was actually the most difficult shot to pull off. It actually looks like it was a secondary target after the pilot missed the Capitol or the White House.

Like I say, a shot at the roof would have worked better in DC.

I have seen a few humongous aircraft pull off even more daring maneuvers in a tight space at speed while I was dragging hose for the Air Force.

The pilots were all certified for other commercial aircraft, but had just done some 757-and-767-specific training prior to the job. The towers were not much less narrow a target than the average end-destination runway for a 757, thus not really that hard to hit when you think about it.

Hmmm...

That may be the problem that puts 9/11 T in the ditch.