Evidence for the Creator: Foxhole Atheists

I am very grateful to Mother Nature for allowing me to exist and experience the world. Thinking that someone can't be "grateful" unless they believe in your particular god is .. well ... arrogant narcissism.

 

To those of you embracing current science, I would have one baffling question. Why are some now mandated to wear face masks? At first, I heard face masks were only to protect the uninfected from the infected. Then I heard it was the other way around. I've also heard that with all the fidgeting and touching the face, they do no good at all. However, the chosen elite demands we wear them. That's how it always ends up. We are told by an elite the facts we should accept. The same goes with the topic of this thread.

 

....and Mother Nature is your god? Tell me more about her. As far as "arrogant narcissism, seems like the pot calling the kettle black.

 

Mother Nature is placeholder for what we have yet to discover. Know that you do not know. Don't pretend to know.

 

No, you misrepresent both my arguments and exact words, to pretend some hollow victory.. you filled that strawman full of arrows, though!!

From the OP:

 

From your OP - "EVERYONE looks to their creator ...".

You simply discount 99.999999999% of the world and draw a
conclusion that fits your emotional needs and then claim this is some kind of science of proof. Sorry dude. That's a fail.

 

You can parse my words, to distort their meaning, for some illusion of debating 'Victory!!', if you wish. That does not change the truth of the premise of the OP, nor justify your denial of the Creator.

It is your choice, driven by a combination of denial, Indoctrination, religious bigotry, or whatever, to ignore the overwhelming evidence for the Creator.

Enjoy your beliefs. I hope they bring you comfort. My arguments stand, unrefuted.

 

Your argument was proven false by actual recordings of people under stress and facing death. That's a simple fact.

I have absolutely no problem with your faith in God or gods. Just don't try and pass it off as science - or proof.
If you were confident in your faith, you wouldn't need to try and convince others with contrived "proof" of existence. You wouldn't need to pretend - you would be confident with your decision. Instead you look for affirmation from others - and get
angry when they don't support your needs.

- Everything that has a beginning has an ending. Make your peace with that and all will be well.
- Buddha (400 years before Christ).

 

Those that worship "Mother Nature" and express their gratitude to her come under these religions...... Nature worship is often considered the primitive source of modern religious beliefs [citation needed] and can be found in theism, panentheism, pantheism, deism, polytheism, animism, totemism, shamanism, paganism and sarnaism. That is according to Wikepedia.
Daniel, I don't suspect you worship Mother Nature or even show her gratitude. Here's what I suspect.....correct me if I'm wrong. Because you believe in evolution, and we are here just on a fluke of "chance", you have no entity to be grateful to. Because you perceive you have the fortitude to just be "grateful" it is a virtue in itself. So therefore, you are grateful to your self that you had the wherewithall to be grateful! That is the EPITOMY of narcissism, but for you, I don't see any other way.

 

Eternity has no end. The grass withers the flowers fade, but the expressed Word of God stands forever. All men are like grass. Buddha died.Never heard from him again.

 

You don't see an other way because you are emotionally invested in your concept of god. You can't accept that "being" is enough for many people.

 

Individual faith is just that. The need to have others believe the same merely reflects self doubt.
Whether you believe in Jesus or you believe in psychology, this is true: what a person believes entirely is what is.

 

I just quoted Buddha - so his words stand the test of time every much as those of the Bible - in fact, they are about 600 years older than those in the Bible. Sorry, just the way it is.

 

Self-improvement gives people a purpose and you can see that from the size of the self-help industry. I believe in self-improvement but only in ways that benefit my life like getting in shape, or learning a new skill and changing my career. I agree that wrongs done to us improves our character. An imperfect life is a great way to find meaning in improvement and find a purpose.

Without religion, there is no afterlife, and you are wiped from existence at the end. This gives me the urgency to make the best out of the life I have. I can't just be satisfied with my lot knowing I'm getting rewarded after I die and God will dispense justice at the end. What matters isn't how much faith we have but whether we did things that actually made us happy and fulfilled and whether we accomplished and learned interesting and challenging things. Faith is merely belief without evidence, and is actually a bad thing and shouldn't be rewarded.

 

Scientists calculate the age of the earth by dating the oldest things that they can find. Over time, they have been finding older and older thing, which is why the age of the earth gets moved up. But we have been at 4.5 billion years old for a while from dating many of the oldest things we can find.
https://www.space.com/24854-how-old-is-earth.html

It isn't like religions have an evidence-based answer either that explains how the soul works or that it even exists. Scientists are learning more and more about the brain and how it works. We may one day have some interesting answers on how consciousness works and even how to create it in AI.

When your teacher tells you about atoms, gravity, and how volcanos work you accept these things as fact. Why is that? When you are sick, you give thousands of dollars to the medical industry. Why is that? Because you trust that the scientists and doctos generally know what they are doing even if they aren't perfect. But if an online ad tells you that you can make $50,000 at home, or some guy on the bus talks about how he was abdusted by aliens, you immediately write them off. Faith means nothing unless it is in something proven and credible. Faith is earned, not freely. I believe in earned trust, not blind faith.

 

There are many Buddhists would would disagree with you, but it isn't like anyone expected this argument to have any rational value.

 

It is neither evidence nor true. I'm a hospice volunteer. I am regularly around those facing impending death, likely far, far more often than you are. You aren't telling the truth. Please return to reality.

 

Depending on the person, THC, the active element in marijuana can in fact induce anxiety and paranoia. We don't all respond to drugs equaly. This is why the psy may have to prescribe two patient suffering from the same illness different drugs to help ballance the brain chemistry.

 

If you really believe that I caricatured you, you are free to explain what I got wrong. I am not religious so I am not religiously indoctrinated. If you really pay attention you will notice that you really really want to believe in Christianity. This is why you make so many threads here defending it. Christianity is an important part of your life and you try to find some way of logically validating your religious faith.

 

Absolutely. Everyone has different biochemistry. I get anxiety just smelling the stuff due to how unpleasant my last experience with it was. Given how some folks I know react to it compared to how I react to it (polar opposite effects), its clear to me thats theres more we don't understand on the subject than we do understand.

 

I do accept that. Apparently you don't accept mine. You are emotionally invested in yourself and that is quite common. Don't dismiss my faith in God.

 

You also do a lot to validate your faith. We have the theory of evolution shoved down our throats all the time, stated as fact. We get denigrating comments all the time about "invisible sky fairy". Why is that? Does that make you feel YOUR faith is more valid? I know what is really going on. There are those of you that are offended when we talk about our God or pray in public. We are supposed to deny what we believe and submit to secularism when in public. Sorry, can't comply.

 

Our teachers in the sixties were telling us we were headed for "global cooling". I took it with a grain of salt then. They teach the theory of evolution as fact. They teach carbon dating is infallible...it isn't. When I am sick, I consult a doctor, chiropractor, D.O. or specialist. I hear their decisions and decide who to believe.

Likewise, I listened to Scientoligists, Jehovah Witnesses, different Christian sects, secularists, I'm O.K. you're O.K., EST and I decided the Bible, OT and NT are true, they bear witness to the facts they state., and that Word is live and active in those that will walk in humility and introspection.

 

Buddha died around 400BC.https://www.imnepal.com/lord-gautama-buddha-death/

 

Gautama did. But according to many Buddhists, Vairocana (the cosmic Buddha) is still with us, as is the Buddha nature in all sentient beings.

Jesus died around 30AD, but you may have noticed that there are still Christians who see him as still-living in some way. This can't possibly be news.