ev's are they clean?

Hydrogen is a non-starter for one very simple reason- home fueling of hydrogen isn't a feasible process.

If you couldn't charge your EV at your "home base" then EVs wouldn't exist right now.

A home-based hydrogen fueling system is a pipe dream at best. It's far too complex, and It's just never going to be a reality. The infrastructure hydrogen fuel would require is just too much, because hydrogen is just too difficult to handle.

 

I'm indifferent to how "clean" it is or isn't.

 

yeah! the media & liberals said the same thing back in the 70's when the green freaks were screaming "we're running out of oil!! and oil went through the roof for the 1970's. but when Reagen took office, in circa 1 year the price of oil dropped to much better levels. meaning the price per gallon fell also. so it will again once we kick out the liberals from congress and the white house.

 

Hydrogen ain't easy. Just read up on the hydrogen ice. It ain't happening. And hydrogen is kinda hard to get when you think about it. The electricity used to make it is more valuable than the hydrogen....aint it?

 

I went through this with ethanol. Ethanol isn't practical and neither is hydrogen. I have been defeated.

 

Some interesting tidbits about EV's.
Vehicle Electrification
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By Rud Istvan, This possible guest post was inspired by Andy May’s recent post concerning mainly internal engine combustion (ICE) alternatives. Since I am a SME in the general field…

 

Fossil fuels have a place in our overall energy strategy, though the US is in a perfect position to really expand hydroelectric by bringing water down from Canada to the Southwest, while opening up entire states to crops and generating bountiful amounts of electricity, but, to your point, the construction of all of that will be done with fossil fuels. Fossil fuels, no doubt, are the workhorse.

More diversity in our overall energy strategy:

"LET’S DO IT FOR CIVILIANS, TOO": Pentagon to build nuclear microreactors to power far-flung bases.

 

I want my Ford Nucleon

https://www.hemmings.com/stories/article/1958-ford-nucleon

 

Hydroelectricity from where specifically? Doesn't Canada need its water too?

 

That damn ethanol is good for nothing but drawing water and gumming up carburetors and fuel injectors. Corn liquor is for drinking and gasoline is for motors.

And dumbass in the White House is trying to the ethanol content in the gasoline supply raised from 10% to 15%.

Ostensibly to lower the price of gas but in reality vehicles get worse fuel mileage on higher ethanol content and it is damaging the motors.

So once again with Democrat policy we can see it's more important to look like you're doing something than actually doing something

 

By chance you do run out of juice 10 miles from home what do you do? Do you have to get towed? I see J1772 Connectors at several places , no fast charge in my area, but what is the charge time there?...

 

Good questions. To start, we have the Snake River and the Columbia, and both discharge the vast majority of their contents into the Ocean. North of that is Canada whose rivers discharge 7% of the world's renewable water into the oceans each year.

That is part of what bothers me about shutting down the XL pipeline, while we certainly benefit from that, it's of great use and convenience to Canada. I think a better approach would be to give them that, which benefits us, while making it clear that someday we very much may want to cooperate on water projects, that while beneficial to them, are extremely beneficial to us.

Your question really is one of utilization, and we have a lot of upside potential here, for example, even in water starved CA, about half of the rain that hits the ground each year is discharged into the ocean. I'm sure that Canada's fraction of their renewable water that they utilize vs discharge is much smaller than that by many magnitudes.

It's clearly an obvious solution, but, it today's world where those in power work so hard to ensure that no major water projects are constructed, it could be the good part of century while we await those fools to die off and more sensible folks take their place before the infrastructure can be built to harness these resources.

To wrap back to your original point, when they are built, for as much benefit as we get from Nuclear, hydro electric, and various renewables, that infrastructure will almost certainly be built with fossil fuels, though once completed, hydro electric pours out a lot good green energy even while providing flood control, water storage and recreation.

 

The problem there is that the Salton and Aral seas are telling us that in many cases it might be a good idea to let water discharge into the Ocean and hydroelectric dams silt up. Our natural systems have been created largely by flowing water perhaps we should let that creation continue.

It all gets back to energy IMO. We need more and more of it, all the time and have less and less ot the resources to make it with. We need to recognize that we are in the equivalent of a benign war with nature to create an energy source that is clean, abundant and cheap. Fusion is that source and the only thing standing in the way is the immense startup cost. I have given up on pols doing it but am now wondering when Musk or Bezos might realize they have a chance here to become the first trillionaire. The problem there is they now seem obsessed with Space. If only Putin hadn't gone crazy.

 

If Electric Vehicles are a grift using environmental concerns, that doesn't mean the environmental concerns themselves are warrantless.

 

Musk and Bezos are amazing. Who knows what they will spin off.

 

So was Putin at one time. A person who came to literally own their own country as a plaything. You have to wonder what happened.

 

Don't know if they're clean, but I know they're hot.
Electric Bus Catches Fire After Battery Explosion
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This afternoon, the RATP decided to temporarily withdraw from circulation the 149 Bolloré electric bluebuses that circulate on its network. . . .

 

They're not very easy to extinguish either. I have heard when one catches fire the fire department simply drags it out in the middle of the street and let it burn until it's ready to go out because you're not going to put it out.

And you can bet that releases some real nastiness

I'm sure they probably could with the right equipment but it's probably easier and cheaper just to let it burn

 

More bad news for EV's.
Ford Reports Devastating Losses Thanks to Electric Vehicle Gamble
Eric Worrall
Ford claims supply chain issues are preventing them from satisfying strong market demand for electric vehicles. . . .

 

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