Ex-White House official testifies he wasn't concerned 'anything illegal was discussed'

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  1. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    And your source for that claim?
     
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    Why would Bloomberg News care about visas for a Ukrainian prosecutor?
     
  3. Esperance

    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "But Schiff-for-brains needs to be questioned under oath and asked why he lied about having contact with the whistle blower."


    Witness tampering IS illegal regardless if you lie about it or not.

    Even if Shiff did in fact talk to the whistleblower and not impact any direct testimony to date, he is still ethically bond to recuse himself as a fact witness.
    The whistleblower is not immune from testifying.

    But my guess is that Schiff is now in so deep that he will try to control as much as possible because at this point there is a distinct possibility that much could come back to bite him.
     
  4. The Mello Guy

    The Mello Guy Well-Known Member

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    Schiff never spoke with him. So there’s that lol
     
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    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Think for a moment...

    The Ukraine prosecutors wanted Visas so they could come to the US and present absolutely no evidence whatsoever...... as Bloomberg would have you believe was the case.


    Marie Yovanovitch provided a firewall for as long as she could.
     
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    In the grand scheme of things I think pressuring a foreign leader to investigate some shenanigans done by a former VP in his country is for politics "par for the course."

    Wasn't it Creepy Joe who bragged about getting a Ukrainian prosecutor removed so as to make room for the questionable Burisma Deal. Anyone think that firm wasn't expecting the proverbial Quid Pro Quo after assigning an unqualified sibling to the board at a cool $50G per month?

    This is the world of Machiavellian politics. (whether we like it or not). Look at the sinister scheme concocted and carried out by Hillary's (The Embodiment of Corruption) sycophants in the DOJ and FBI prior to the 2016 election. Employing a foreign national (Steele) to "dig up dirt" on a US presidential candidate. Then placing him under FBI investigation and duping a FISA count for warrants with a bogus "dossier".

    Never mind the blatant partisanship and hatred exposed by Strzok, Page and Comey. Purposely keeping The Embodiment of Corruption out of the can by manipulating the statutes. I suppose Bubba's visit with the corrupt Loretta "Stand by Your Man" Lynch before the Dem convention was just a social visit where they discussed the weather.

    Millionaire Bernie railing about the immorality of being "rich; The Fake Indian lying on her Ivy League application about her ethnicity (as if that should matter); and The Embodiment of Corruption's rap sheet longer than that of Al Capone's.

    People in glass houses.

    The Donald will probably be impeached in the house. But the bad news for the left is not the Senate. And odds are a 2020 presidential victory.
     
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    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I would have to say that the jury is out on that account in terms of there being a direct conversation, but there was definitely communication going on which still requires him to recuse himself.
     
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    Esperance Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This is quite an impressive posting... So much so that it gets my vote for post of the month.
     
  9. stone6

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    Ah...I see...you think that Bloomberg is part of the MSM, and that they were anti-anti-Biden and anti-Crowdstrike Conspiracy, but the pro-Russian prosecutor wanted to come to the U.S. and would testify that they had no evidence at all regarding the anti-anti-Biden and Crowdstrike Conspiracy, which would validate the MSM theory, which is why the U.S. Ambassador was blocking the visas, meaning she was actually pro-Russian?

    Do I understand that's your theory?
     
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    He even admitted to it.
     
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    Trump bad? :)
     
  12. The Mello Guy

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    Lol he’s not a judge or a juror. Nothing to recuse.
     
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    No he didn't.
     
  14. stone6

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    There are two factions in Ukrainian politics: anti-Russian Ukrainians and pro-Russian Ukrainians. Generally, those factions divide along ethnic lines...ethnic Russian Ukrainians are pro Russian and non-ethnic Russians oppose the Russians. Those two factions support separate foreign policies. The pro-Russian group generally upholds the Russian seizure of Crimea and the eastern Ukrainian provinces, if not the complete reentry of the Ukraine into Russia. The anti-Russian Ukrainians generally uphold closer ties to NATO, the EU, and formerly the U.S. The Orange Revolution generally supported accelerating western-oriented policies and to facilitate Ukrainian membership in both the EU and NATO. Putin, who is generally supported by Russian nationalists, would have suffered a enormous political set-back in Russia had he done nothing to prevent Ukraine from leaving its "Russian orbit" and joining the "EU/NATO orbit."

    Putin, therefore, backed pro-Russian candidates for the Ukrainian Presidency and government, both following the Ukraine independence and succeeded in bringing the pro-Russian candidate Viktor Yanukovych to power as President. In 2004, however, he was ousted by the Orange Revolution, which resulted in new elections and brought pro-EU/NATO candidates to power. However, the pro-EU/NATO President was largely discredited by pro-Russian charges of corruption and thrown out of office in 2006 with new elections. Those elections brought Yanukovych back into power. In late 2013, he began openly moving Ukraine back toward the Russian orbit and away from the EU/NATO direction initially launched by the Orange Revolution. That movement and charges of corruption by Yanukovych, launched the second Orange Revolution, ending with Yanukovych fleeing to Russia, and the establishment of a new government, followed by Putin's seizure of Crimea and the Eastern Provinces...i.e. the "war" between Russia and Ukraine.

    In 2015, Viktor Shokin was appointed Chief Prosecutor of Ukraine. He was slow to prosecute previous supporters of the former pro-Russian government and was also associated with corruption and former pro-Russian Ukrainian oligarchs. Since the government was nominally pro-West, at the time, it was seeking enormous aid from the West, much in military aid with which to fight the border wars with pro-Russian forces. That aid, was often in the form of loans, as well as grants. The U.S., the EU, the IMF all insisted that the corruption and pro-Russian remnants in government be removed from office prior to proceeding with their funding. That was the time Biden (as well as the EU and the IMF) insisted that Shokin be replaced as Chief Prosecutor before releasing funds.

    Shokin's deposition, accusing Biden and Biden's son of corruption, is the Giuliani documentation he has referenced in recent news conferences. It was provided to an Austrian Court determining whether or not to extradite a Ukrainian pro-Russian oligarch (arrested in Vienna) to the United States on charges of bribery in connection to a business contract between an Indian manufacturer of titanium with the Boeing Company, in Chicago (i.e. against the Corrupt Foreign Practices Act). That person, Dmitry Firtash, now out on $125 million bail, in Austria, has just been ruled extraditable to the U.S. And, it was Shokin who was seeking a visa to the U.S., being blocked by our former (and fired) Ukrainian Ambassador.
     
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    Continued...IOW, confirmation of the Crowdstrike Conspiracy, via pro-Russian Ukrainians, is necessary to Putin to lift sanctions placed on Russia which are significant to the Russian economy, among which is the blockage of a Russian/ExxonMobil $500 billion deal on Arctic drilling. The fundamental reason Rudy was in Ukraine and dealing with ethnic Russian Ukrainians (out on bail) was to prove the innocence of the Russians in our election interference.
     
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    the hoax is Trump's claims about Biden, but even if both were true, that would mean neither should be President
     
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    So all this crap from the military guy is a lie? He must be a Trump hater.
     
  18. camp_steveo

    camp_steveo Well-Known Member

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    No, and what scares the hell out of the left is that he was actually seeking to get some closure on what prompted the 2016 Russia collusion investigation, something they all know about.
     
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    “TESTIMONY:” John Lucas: Alex Vindman’s Impeachment Testimony Completely Rested On His Personal Opinions.

    “Alex Vindman’s testimony about the July 25 call between the two presidents does not add any new facts. So, what does he say? He offers his opinions about the wisdom of the call. That’s it.”​
     
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    We need to know if Schiff was in involved in the illegal plot that planted a CIA spy in the WH

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    Suspected ‘Whistleblower’ Ciaramella May Be CIA Spy Planted in Trump White House Identified as “Charlie” in Strzok and Page Texts.

    In April of this year, Senators Grassley and Johnson sent a letter to Attorney General Barr asking him for any information on the following (or perhaps this was their way of encouraging him to look into something). What they specifically asked about was related to some text messages from corrupt FBI Agents Peter Strzok and Lisa Page referring to a “CI guy” in the White House –

    Char-a-MEL-ah is the same ‘Charlie’ in the Strzok and Page communications

    This is why Schiff wanted to keep his identity hidden. Not only because Ciaramella is a clearly a leaker and is culpable for crimes due to his leaking but because he was spying on President Trump in the White House.

    July, 2017, Yahoo reported that Mike Cernovich targeted an individual who worked for former National Security Advisor H. R. McMaster, claiming the individual wanted to ‘sabotage’ President Trump and also claiming he is ‘pro-Ukraine and anti-Russia’.

    Ciaramella was Obama’s NSC Director for the Ukraine. This connects him and his team at the NSC to Joe Biden. Biden was Obama’s lead in the Ukraine so it’s implausible that Ciararmella and his team were not connected to Biden. Schiff’s leakers are connected to Biden also.

    John Brennan holdover plants are slithering all over the White House.
     
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  21. Andrew Jackson

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    Wow.

    This is MAJOR.

    Schiff will be on Death Row before the Sun Rises. RIP...:salute:
     
  22. Bush Lawyer

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    Got me stuffed why this (alleged ) guy was not being dissed....until....he spoke up. Did Trump et al only NOW discover the details of his past?
     
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    The US Ambassador wasn't cooperating because she knew that the FBI didn't want to deal with what the Ukrainian officials were offering up.

    The Ukrainian investigation was never officially closed.
    There is an active DOJ investigation going on right now.
    It has been additionally fueled by the information/evidence that started to flow after Marie Y. was recalled.
     
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    A conspiracy theory to defend another conspiracy theory.
     
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    Suddenly, Coincidences Involving the Whistleblower

    Eric Ciaramella, fluent in Russian, Ukrainian and Arabic, a favorite among Obama Administration officials.

    He submitted a whistleblower complaint on August 12th.

    He is a registered Democrat.

    He is a CIA analyst who specializes in Russia and Ukraine. He ran the Ukraine desk at the National Security Council (NSC) in 2016.

    He was detailed over to the NSC in the summer of 2015 and worked for then-National Security Adviser Susan Rice.

    He worked for former Vice President Joe Biden when he served as the Obama administration’s “point man” for Ukraine. He may have flown over to Ukraine with Biden on Air Force Two.

    He worked for former CIA Director John Brennan.

    In June 2017, then-National Security Advisor H. R. McMaster appointed EC to be his personal aide.

    EC did not have direct knowledge of the July 25th conversation between President Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky. It is very possible he learned about the call from NSC Director for European Affairs Lt. Col. Alexander Vindman, who testified last week before Adam Schiff’s House Intelligence Committee.
     
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