EXCLUSIVE: Fauci-Funded Experiment Killed Dozens Of Puppies Using Taxpayer Money

So its not gain of function if you claim the results are "unexpected".. ?

 

I am against un-necessary animal research, while realizing that animal testing is a necessity for modern biomedical research, including drug development biomechanics, implants etc. With that said, I believe that animal studies should be minimized, so the least amount of animals are used, and the least amount of animal suffering is generated. These goals are already incorporated in NIH ACU guidelines.

When I was a postdoc, I had to do some animal studies, because my boss wanted me to do them. Back then, I realized that working with animals is not for me. I still feel that the great rat god is going to put me in rat hell when I die (just kidding). I can assure you, however, the vast majority of researchers I have interacted with don't enjoy this part of their work. Is it a necessity? Yes. Can it be emotionally draining to see animals suffer? Yes.

You see, these issues are a lot more nuanced than the "Fauci is the devil" brigade would want you to believe. As to your opinion: Are you for animal research or against? Are you aware of the implications if all animal research would be outlawed? These are important points, because this issue goes beyond of what happened in this one instance that is used by the OP to smear Fauci.

 

Would you say the research under discussion was "needed" and why?

 

I don't know. From the official document, the work was done for pre-clinical testing of a Aids therapeutic. Since the drug name and structure is not shown (because it is proprietary, probably planned to be patented), it is not possible to say whether experiments were necessary, or whether they could have been done with less animals. However, since the grant apparently went through the regular NIH peer review process, I assume that a number of experts have evaluated the proposal and have found no problems with respect to scientific innovation, nor animal use. You realize that NIH study sections are not usually in the business of funding research that would be called repetitive or incremental. NIH funding is highly competitive, and poor grant proposals are usually rejected in peer review. My lab has had NIH funding since almost 20 years, so I know a thing or two about the process.

 

You need to re-read the OP. Nowhere did I smear Fauci. You also need to check my post history. Nowhere have I posted smears about Fauci. As I stated earlier, this is not a R or D issue; the issue is bipartisan.

More than one instance. This “research” done here, monkeys and dogs, is outdated, sick and evil, and the benefit from this torture and killing provides what benefit?

 

Wat vas first name ... Klauss ..... would be proud of Fauci's care for our species.. wanting to create monsters .. Just in case they get out of the cage some day. .. and zen we treat zem ya ? Ya Ya .. Ya ya aya

 

It's legal. It has been going on for decades, maybe even for the last century.
But we just found out it's linked to Fauci, so it's now bad.

 

You say it's outdated, sick and evil.... but I wouldn't know 1 country where they banned this because it is what you say it is.
And the benefit is to find out if we can also use that medication and that it works the way we thought it would work.
It's not as when you are in need of a cancer treatment, that you would decline all the general accepted medication, because it was tested on animals.
Nobody would decline it. Let's also be honest about where we stand.

 

Yep, hypocrisy runs high in this thread. The same ones who claim moral outrage over animal experiments would be defending mistreatment of animals in Midwestern chicken factories, because the chicken farmers are likely GOP voters. Principle doesn't matter anymore, as long as cheap political points can be scored. Thanks Trump.

 

Fauci smeared himself. What a vile piece of duplicious filth.

THE SLIPPERY SEMANTICS OF ANTHONY FAUCI:

And also, why he lied under oath to Congress. That's a felony.

 

Looks like you continue to ignore the fact that this issue is bi-partisan.Democrats signed the letter too.
Feel free to continue to ignore that while you post about cheap political points and hypocrisy. It makes you look very petty.

Not aware of any chicken factories that remove vocal cords while plastic bags are placed on their heads with infected fleas before they are killed. Not aware of any chicken factories using acid on their brains to intensify fear.

Thanks for playing.

 

Feel free to watch the video linked from the lady with PETA.

There is no need to conduct these barbaric experiments.

 

Post 155 asked a question, that was not addressed.

… for the brain-damaged monkeys Elisabeth Murray and other NIH experimenters terrify with fake but realistic-looking snakes and spiders as part of a decades-long project that has cost you and other taxpayers $47 million and has not led to a single cure or even treatment.

https://www.peta.org/blog/fauci-niaid-puppies-animal-testing/

 

You say there is no need. But that is how we develop medication against cancer etc.

 

They are too ignorant to actually know whether there is a need or not. This reminds me of the 2008 campaign, when the RW got all outraged after Palin ridiculed the NIH spending 10s of millions of dollars on research on fruit flies. Little did she and her fanclub know that Drosophila is THE go to animal for genetics research, being used by 1000s of labs as a model system for genetic diseases etc.

 

Exactly. 100% agreed. It matches my experience too, down to the uneasy feeling, but with the understanding that it is necessary and it saves countless human lives.

But you know what these people making all this fuzz about beagles are trying to accomplish. Americans have a love affair with their pets and many actually value them more than they value human life and suffering.

Think for example of the Vick case. The NFL has had players who knocked their wives unconscious, players who literally murdered people, players who beat their children with sticks made of tree branches, and the fans shrugged, and the commissioner gave them a few games of suspension. But oh boy, once it surfaced that Vick was mistreating dogs, all hell broke lose.

Also, people are willing to spend fortunes with their pets and turn their heads the other way if they are solicited to contribute to a charity that caters to human children like UNICEF.

While I am entirely incapable of mistreating a pet (and disgusted by anybody who does) and I have only reluctantly (and following guidelines) engaged in research with animals, I do place human life above animals.

Also, I can respect more a vegan who is outraged by animal research, than a lot of the people using this to smear Fauci who are more than happy with their steaks, pork chops, and fried chicken sandwiches.

The thing with dogs also doesn't translate to non-human primates. The latter are way more sentient than dogs, but it is anything related to dogs that drives people bonkers. A similar headline with experimentation on non-human primates wouldn't draw the same outrage, guaranteed.

 

It is not legal for Americans, what are you talking about? Obama killed taxpayer money going to gain of function, yet Fauci went the back door route then lied to congress. Let's look at some facts.

Fact Fauci used third parties to continue gain of function designed to create novel viruses similar to covid 19 even though it was outlawed by Obama and then published results.
Fact Fauci lied saying it wasn't gain of function, which we now know it was. Why did he lie??? because it was illegal and he knows it.
Fact we can't tie the virus to this Fauci paid for gain of function because it's not the virus that was published but we also don't know what other gain of function Wuhan was working on because they won't let anyone in Wuhan. Why do you think that is? Do you think this seems like Wuhan that is innocent?
Fact we now know Fauci has a pattern of getting around our laws by funding other illegal research through 3rd parties, like this animal torture study he funded.

I just can't understand why the left is covering for Fauci, he's the one that lead the virus team to fight covid. He's the one that lied about masks that the left loves. He's the one that said we should shut down and it didn't work. He's the one that gave us all the updates during the daily Trump news conferences. He's the one that said we might not be able to spend time with loved one's at Christmas then had to walk it back. Are you guys really covering for this guy just because Trump figured out he was a fraud that lied a lot? It's not very difficult to understand Wuhan was building viruses just like covid 19 and it's becoming obvious it was created there and accidentally or intentionally released.

 

can you source this

 

That is a great question.

What EXACTLY is being referred to "not legal for Americans"?

The person you responded to has lost me on that claim.

I will be interested to see if you even get an answer, or if they just flee the thread.
The watch continues...

 

I'm not doing your homework but ask yourself a question, if the government was funding gain of function, why would fauci lie about funding a gain of function research?

 

I'm rather convinced that it's actually legal to experiment on animals for certain purposes.
A quick glance says it happens on a massive scale in the US.
And when you say it's illegal, then you haven't done your homework.


It's also the norm that you prove your claim. And you are now refusing.
Refusing to prove your claim = forfeiting on the claim.

 

As I understand, the poster claims that it's illegal to preform medical experiments on animals.
While a quick glance with google shows this actually happens on a massive scale.

As of now, the poster just avoids this and suddenly it ends to be that when somebody makes a claim, it's up for others to debunk it.
Sure.

 

What does sand fleas or fear amongst apes have to do with Aids research?

"My lab has had NIH funding since almost 20 years, so I know a thing or two about the process"

I'm also sure you dont see your own bias /facepalm

 

Some on the left don't seem to like dogs anymore than they like School Board Parents. But then, Obama ate his dog.

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Thx for such a salient, intellectually-deep "contribution" to the discussion.