Facebook does what Trump won't do.

Spare me... the Russians posting a bunch of ads on facebook had little effect on the election. The fact that these ads were "True" = not propaganda - further makes this narrative a joke.

The real issue in relation to our democratic process is the fact that our MSM is a propaganda machine of the International financiers that control/influence the Establishment in this nation ... same one's who own the MSM.

Getting all worked up about Russia is like equivocating a rain drop to a hurricane.

 

It's a deflection/projection of demonstrated, well-evidenced criminality in our federal government that is failing more and more by the minute.

 

None of them were deliberately disguised to look like something else.

The Russians started by feeding their own content from RT and Sputnik through FB, and the comments in various right wing blogs.

Folks like you shared them and parroted them on forums like this (this space was flooded with that stuff).

And very little of it was advertising in the sense the you describe. Most of it was disguised to look like news, or opinion from blogs no one every heard of (mainly because they had a tendancy to appear one day, get their hit in, and disappear the next). This was an especially effective stragety to employ on the talk radio right, which never fact checks anything and takes whatever it wants to hear at face value and never considers the source.

 

Strange response.

I never mentioned collusion.

 

So you want the government surveilling and monitoring privately run websites?

 

There was no other answer that was acceptable. I'm disappointed that Trump caved to the deception, but there are bigger fish to fry. Zuckerburg was just trying to save face, so to speak. After giving Obama an exclusive violation of FEC rules worth billions in 2012, he let slip Cambridge Analytica and received the normal fascist backlash one would expect from the fascist progressives that now run the Democratic Party. FB is not done losing value.

Anyone claiming that a few $100K spent after the election or even during the campaign in a $2B campaign is going to change a single vote is just looking for an excuse. Democrats never accept the result of elections they lose. Haven't since I've kept track.

 

Lol, Facebook isn't tanking because folks are boycotting it for ruining the election... folks are leaving FB because its been shadowbanning them.

 

No it is not, and most of the world's intelligence agencies, including our own are fully aware of it.

Similar Russian efforts have been unearthed in the Brexit vote, and in elections in France and Italy, where Russian operatives employed the same tactics of using faked websites and faked accounts to promote divisive far right wing candidates and hyper nationalist rhetoric. In Germany, Italy and France, official worked to stem these activities.

In the US, nothing has been done, except by Zuckerberg.

You guys are running out of denial.

 

Ah yes..."Facebook", the cause of your goddess Hillary's loss....

lol

 

I'm not sure what that first paragraph was supposed to mean. It didn't make any sense at all.

And this is not about the outcome of the election. It is about the fact that the Russians ran a large campaign that tried to influence it, one that required far more resources than just the amount of money they spent on ad buys. BTW, you can set up a FB page or Twitter account for nothing, and Russians set up thousands of them and ran them with bots, once they had all your contact info courtesy of Cambridge Analytica.

It isn't that amount of money spent of ads that is important. It's the volume of the campaign, and most of that involved no cash outlay for advertising at all.

This may give you a clue:

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...37F78675E9D06C67A1FB3&view=detail&FORM=VIREHT

 

Not exactly good math. When you divide all those 130 million voters among fifty states and divide it further by the number who actually paid any attention to the ads and then divide it again by the number who actually changed their votes based on the ads and suddenly that 130 million does not amount to much.

 

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doesn't matter a damn what they were supposed to look like or how they were disguised what matters is the quantity. There simply weren't enough of them.

 

Yup. you guys are out of gas on this.

Denials and ignoring well documented and very relevant facts, is your only remaining attempt at an argument. That and angry but vague ranting about the imaginary deep state.

The Wall Street Journal Editoral Page, normally a great source of Trumpian cheerleading (except on trade wars ) suggested the Trump wanted to lose Congress in the upcoming cycle.

In their view, that would set up his re election fight.

What it would do is inoculate him from responsibility, a place he likes to be in.

 

Would those be the same intelligence agencies complicit in and accessories to the aforementioned criminality?

Clinton spent over twice what Trump spent. Had a complicit media "spending" maybe $10 billion more on her behalf. Still lost. Yet "muhrussia" somehow affected the election in material ways with some bot tweets and FB posts? Do you people ever listen to yourselves? For just a second, step into the average American voter's shoes. Do you think ANYONE other than partisan Democrats does anything other than laugh at the "muhrussia" narrative? (that is before they get angered by the repetition of it)

Seriously? Are you not aware of the pervasive censorship of conservative voices on twitter, google/youtube, reddit and elsewhere under the guise of "policing bots?" The main political board of reddit was effectively -bought- by paid Democrat shills of Correct the Record/Shareblue. That's a fact, jack. Go read it if you don't believe me.

Calling political opposition "deplorable-alt right-Russian bots" isn't playing well with the American voter... so do keep it up.

You guys are running out of squirrels... and ostrich coats.

 

"It doesn't matter a damn what they were supposed to look like or how they were disguised what matters is the quantity."

Only a Trump supporter or a far right winger would even think to say something so obviously stupid.

It doesn't matter to you who is doing the talking as long as they say what you want to hear. At least you're honest enough to admit it!

And the quantity was in the hundreds of thousands.

 

"Would those be the same intelligence agencies complicit in and accessories to the aforementioned criminality?"

Document your claims.

 

I absolutely know about bots. Dorsey worked with 10 radical progressives to try to shut down conservative speech by attacking sponsors with thousands of tweets. That was just one show. No doubt O'Reilly was shut down by a similar game.

Obama knew someone was attacking the grid and did nothing because Hillary was supposed to win and he didn't want her election to be tainted. The day after the election it all of a sudden became a problem.

Hillary lost because she was too lazy to campaign in rural PA, OH, MI and WI ,,, and the rest of flyover country. She is simply bad at math.

Obama lost eastern OH and western PA for Hillary by shutting down mining. When the DNC decided to crap on the white working class, aka, unions, they slashed the cushion Cuyahoga County used to give them in OH. Union workers used to be a strong Democrat base, now all that's left are the union bosses who got slapped down by the courts.

 

I don't know what most of that was supposed to mean.

Who is Dorsey?

Eastern Ohio and Western Pa were sold a fantasy of roaring blast furnaces and busy coal mines by a con man peddling visions of an imaginary past.

The coal industry has been in steady decline for over 100 years. But it has been convenient for coal mine operators to buy billboards blaming the government for the fact that coal is no longer costs competitive in a world of cheap fracked natural gas.

Again, I am not interested in relitigating the last election, as you Trumspters seem to always be.

The election is over, and Trump is President.

What concerns me is the degree to which a Russian cyber attack against the United States has succeeded and the degree to which the Administration is not responding to the threat.

This very same threat was identified and steps were taken to address it in other countries.

But here, Trump goes and grovels before Putin.

 

Document your claims, propagandist. You made this garbage pit of a thread, not me. Quantify material effects of ANY foreign meddling in our elections.

Sitting U.S. intelligence high officials took an objectively farcical piece of political opposition research and presented it to a federal judge as if it originated with the agencies themselves to obtain a warrant to spy on a bureaucracy-disfavored candidate under an anti Terrorism statute.

Part of that subterfuge was falsely characterizing innocent U.S. campaign operatives as foreign agents.

The sitting Presidential Administration and its high officials then in fact conducted such unlawful surveillance, which continued during the transition period, in an effort to destabilize and delegitimize a new Administration that is unfriendly to the entrenched bureaucracy.

The "muhrussia" narrative was then fabricated to disguise and deflect from that compound criminality.

Don't like that "documentation?" One narrative is gaining traction with the voters... because it's true, and the obviously fabricated narrative is failing. Sucks to be a gov-edu-union-contractor-grantee-trial lawyer-MSM Complex parasite these days, as the truth is outing more and more each day.

 

NO a Drop in a bucket is a drop in the bucket no matter what the hell the drop looks like only a leftist would be so ignorant as to think that Russians could target American voters more effectively than their fellow Americans can manage and with less than 5% of the money spent.

 

What's he supposed to do.... tell Putin to arrest people for using the internet in ways that make America's totalitarian leftists angry?

 

Yes I know. English isn't your first language. Dorsey is the Twitter CEO. I've been in the same Cleveland suburb since 2004 and have driven the same 3 mile path to enjoy happy hour at 3PM every day. In 2008 and 2012 there had to be 100 Obama yard signs on that path. In 2016, there was 1 Hillary sign, 1 Hillary for Prison sign, and 1 Jill sign on the same path. My guess is that those people were probably union members. Between the black vote in Cleveland and the union vote in the suburbs, Cuyahoga County would often throw the state to Democrats. Not only did Democrats lose the union vote here because of their love for illegal immigrants, but they lost rural Ohio, to include the eastern parts of the state.

Were you in the meeting between Trump & Putin? Did you tape it to prove that Trump groveled?

 

And it's competition was in the hundreds of millions and in a far wider variety of media settings.Again the Russian crap was a comparative drop in the bucket against the high pressure hoses the Dems and Republicans unleashed.

 

You made specific claims. I challenged you to document them. You chose name calling instead.

The rest of your post is nonsense.

Your claims that a narrative was cooked up after the election is obviously false on its face.

The first inlkings in the press that the Russians were running cyber campaigns appear in the late spring of 2015.

The fact that it was the Russians who may have been the source for Wikileaks was identified well before the election.

The fact that Trump campaign officials were talking to Russian operatives throughout the US Presidential campaign was well known to foreign intelligence agencies by the last spring of 2016, which is when the British approached the FBI.

The Austrailians would also approach, noting the activities of George Papadopolous.

You were asked to document your claim. You failed.

 

Repeating yourself does not change the facts.

Russian propaganda efforts reached 130 million Americans, and were disguised.

Your narrative always tries to dismiss that fact.