I could try, though there are probably others here who are more knowledgeable about the theory of evolution and such.[/QUOTE] Trying is all anybody who believes in evolution can do. Science just doesn't support it as anything more than a theory.
What has the Bible got to do with evolution? I mean besides nothing. I know you're trying to change the subject. Good grief.
Correction. You're the one bringing up religion. I've made no such claims on this thread. I'm the one trying to keep this about science. You appear to be obsessed with religion. At least you're trying to bring it into the discussion while doing everything possible to avoid science. Maybe you should leave this thread and start a religion thread.
But I obviously know far more about it than you. Perhaps you should take a course. Correction. I've used is science and the very same evidence that's been attempted to "prove evolution" by the science deniers. And as far as trolling goes, you've yet to produce any hard evidence for evolution. All you've got is "maybe", "it suggests", "we don't know", etc... That's hardly a basis for accepting something as a fact. Now stop trolling and provide some real evidence that isn't based upon extrapolation. Good grief.
Now asking for evidence is called piling on? Give me a break. Look, I've read the Origin of Species and from reading your posts you haven't. Please tell us what portion of this book you find compelling? And please, something specific and not the usual "all of it" meme that says nothing except that you didn't really read it. What I found to be very important is that Darwin says the gradual transition of a species becoming another species will be found in the fossil record. So far that hasn't been the case. Funny. To be honest, I'm apparently the he only person who does has something new to write. You and other persons on this thread have nothing new to write. You can't discuss this topic without incorporating the same old thinking that prevents you from being objective and seeing evolution as what it is, i.e. a theory, and a weak one at that. No evidence, just same old same old incorporated with a snobbish sense of unqualified superiority. Now surprise us and try to discuss this topic intelligently, using science, instead of avoiding the topic because you can't provide compelling evidence.
no, but pretending you haven't been given evidence is a demonstrable lie, that has been pointed out to you at least 50 times. Why do you continue to lie, after being called on it?
I tried once. But none of those like yourself ever responded. When ChemEngineer and Yguy were both unable to answer any of the questions I asked them, they left. You have also avoided those same questions. If I place them on a different thread, would you even try to answer?
See, here for example. Instead of actually trying to provide evidence for what you "know" is fact, you avoid the subject. If you are so certain it is true, you should have no problem giving some evidence.
Yes, I am. I'm often obsessed with things that bother me. More on this later, if you like. Could you please answer the questions?
Trying is all anybody who believes in evolution can do. Science just doesn't support it as anything more than a theory.[/QUOTE] Yes, because it is an incomplete theory that is still being worked on. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to want it "thrown out" entirely because it isn't complete. Though I think I do remember you saying the issue was it being confirmed as true rather than merely existing.
That is just it. It's difficult to discuss this topic over an internet forum. Have you ever spoken to qualified anthropologists or anyone in a similar field? They could probably show you more than anyone here.
Those like yourself have yet to produce hard evidence for your beliefs. And yet children are taught about religion as fact everyday (doesn't matter whether it comes from school or their parents). How is that different than saying evolution is true?
You actually were the one avoiding my questions about science. I asked you to provide scientific evidence that confirms your statements about the Bible being "100 % true" and God creating the universe. It would be more accurate to say that I've done everything possible to avoid discussing evolution. Which I already told you, you made good points about it being an incomplete theory. I even said there was always the possibility of the theory of evolution being wrong. You seem to be avoiding the topic when I ask you to provide the same level of evidence you require from the "evolutionists".
What's obvious is that you are unable to cite any scientific articles/papers that you think would support your anti-evolution position.
Let's see if Prunepicker can do this, at least. If his or her position is "science-based" than there would have to be plenty of credible sources from people who have the same view.
I know you said your criticism of the theory of evolution is based on science, but what is your motivation? Why does it matter for you personally, whether people are taught evolution is true or not?
I think Prunepicker is simply not convinced by the evidence, as it isn't complete. Fair enough, but I still haven't seen Prunepicker provide evidence for their claims. The theory of evolution at least makes the attempt. Hopefully Prunepicker proves himself/herself here and isn't the type of Theist that requires "enhanced questioning".
Back when I posted some cites Prunepicker first ignored it and then just said "not good enough" without so much as suggesting why. I've asked for clarification on what WOULD be good enough - and, no answer on that, either. And, you're right. I've requested, but seen nothing from Prunepicker in the way of support or even just clarification of what his/her position actually is.
Exactly. Unless Prunepicker wants us to try to to convince him/her that evolution is completely true without even the slightest possible room for doubt. Which first, I cannot do since I'm not by any means an expert in biology or anthropology. And second, I don't care to do because it changes nothing about Prunepicker's beliefs, opinions, or ideology. Many people believe in evoltution, but there are plenty of other things to disagree on. Personally, I'm more interested in seeing the scientific evidence for Prunepicker's religious claims, which are believed by him/her with as much absolute certainty as any scientific fact.
