Fallacies of Evolution Redux

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  1. WillReadmore

    WillReadmore Well-Known Member

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    Yes. And, I certainly agree that there really isn't anything to gain by further discussion with Prunepicker.

    For a while it was interesting in that he might cough up an idea. Plus, others were watching the conversation.
     
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    Pffft...I don't see what the big deal is. Lining up every single organism that has ever lived bar none in a nice branching hierarchy laid out for all to see every minute change and evolutionary step along the way is completely reasonable. Anything less is just junk science. I can't believe you guys are being so hard on Prunepicker. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
     
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    LOL - good point made with good humor!

    Every year we still find thousands of previously unknown species that are alive today.
     
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    The demonstrable lie is the so called evidence that doesn't show evolution
    in any way shape or form. The lie is that there is evidenced for evolution and
    that nobody has put up anything except the accepted dogma.

    Why do you and others continue to lie when you've been shown every
    single time that the evidence you're putting up supports what I've been saying?

    Good grief.
     
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    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    The evidence I've provided is the evidence that's been given me. I
    say evolution is a hoax because of the evidence I've been given. There
    has been no evidence showing bonafide evolution. Only a theory based
    on what little information that's been presented.
    I just answered this.
     
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    Never said I want it thrown out. Now you're having to make up stuff
    to fit your agenda.
     
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    I've used the scientific articles/papers that you put up. If you'd ever
    read them you'd know what I'm talking about. The so called evidence
    doesn't call evolution a fact, which for some reason the people who say it's
    only a theory want to cram it down our throats as fact.
     
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    I want them to be told the truth. That's the best motivation.
     
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    So far, you've never bothered to suggest what your personal view of "truth" might be.

    You claim to accept science, while rejecting science.

    You claim there is no evidence while rejecting evidence accepted throughout the world of science without even bothering to suggest your basis for rejection.
     
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    I asked you to provide scientific evidence that confirms your statements about the Bible being "100 % true" and God creating the universe. It would be more accurate to say that I've done everything possible to avoid discussing evolution. Which I already told you, you made good points about it being an incomplete theory. I even said there was always the possibility of the theory of evolution being wrong. You seem to be avoiding the topic when I ask you to provide the same level of evidence you require from the "evolutionists".
     
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    I apologize. I figured I was mistaken and simply remembered wrong. I must have confused you with another forum user.
     
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    There are no more facts for evolution to deal with, only the ones for the claims made by Christianity. As I said, you made your point about the gaps in the theory of evolution.
     
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    Out of curiosity, what do you think the agenda is for those promoting the theory of evolution?
     
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    Regal I've got this for the moment. Not the residence. Wait.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_fallacy

    Although I should add that none of these fallacies are correctly applied either.
    What all of these are, and every supposed disproof of evolution I've ever seen really is, is a misunderstanding of science and the theory. Which is a good example: That sounds ad hominem, and maybe it is, but it's also completely correct.
     
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    Poppycock!
     
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    Truth is not telling an untruth.
    I've not rejected science. I've rejected extrapolation that have to be added to in
    order to make it look like it really happened.
    There is no evidence of a species gradually transitioning into another species.
    If I'm wrong, and I'm not, please put up the evidence. The only evidence you or
    anyone else has put up is total extrapolation.
     
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    Correction. What I'm saying is accurate. You have no credible evidence of a
    species gradually transitioning into another species. Not a shred.

    Please, it's time for you to stop your inane mantra and provide the evidence.
     
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    Irrelevant.
     
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    Prunepicker Well-Known Member

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    Nope. Fact. You know it but can't accept it.
     
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    Why is it that people do not comprehend what a Scientific Theory like "evolution" and "special relativity" actual is and how it differs from every other small t theory, scientific or otherwise?

    Evolution cannot as yet be definitively and scientifically "proven".
    Special relativity cannot as yet be definitively and scientifically "proven".

    Any demand for proof that it is true is a demand for something that does not exist.

    There is only empirical evidence that does not contradict the fundamentals of the Theory and verifies its predictions. That's the ONLY reason its not called the LAW of evolution or special relativity.

    So all this back and forth about proving something that the combined efforts of tens of thousands of dedicated scientists over the past 150 years or so has been unable to do, doesn't actually advance the discussion, merely entrench positions. OTOH, they have yet to find any evidence to contradict it either.

    Any cursory examination of most of the "scientific evidence" that evolution is not true quickly demonstrates its neither evidence nor "science".

    And as a tenet of one's religious faith that evolution is not true, NOTHING will change their minds on the subject. That's just human nature.
     
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    The fact is you have presented no science (articles,papers etc.) to refute evidence for evolution.
     
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    No one has ever offer
    No one has EVER offered refutation of theory or alternatives to date which is why it remains the accepted explanation to everyone who bothers to think about it. If by chance they could or did, their name would be better known than Darwin.
     
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    You either don't understand what science is or you simply reject it.

    You can't exclude what you call extrapolation and still have scientific method - what we call science.

    After all, all rules, hypotheses and theories are extrapolations in the sense that they make statements about how something works in general based on evidence and testing that leads to confidence.

    There is nothing that humans can find all of. Newton didn't find all of the things that are important in the study of gravity. Darwin didn't find all the species that have ever lived. Physicists are still looking for the composition of dark matter, the most common type of matter in the universe. There just isn't anything we have found all of.

    As long as there remains this basic problem of what science is, it's not really useful to discuss evolution, let alone evidence of evolution.

    The first step would need to be to discuss science.
     
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    Stating the obvious to the intellectually intransigent is just another tennis ball bouncing off their heads.
     

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