Fani Willis's letter requesting special grand jury to investigate 'criminal disruption'...

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  1. Patricio Da Silva

    Patricio Da Silva Well-Known Member Donor

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    ...of the state's election process.

    Ever so slowly, overturning every stone, noting that are hundreds of them, if not thousands, and a case is being built up, by no doubt Garland, GA Fulton DA, NY AG, NYC DA, and numerous lawsuits pending, and all roads will converge, inescapably, on one person;

    Donald Trump. (Who else?)

    and, of course 'et al'. his empowerers, staff, & minions (that's who else).

    One can imagine that if the defendant will be Donald Trump, former president, and the plaintiff will be the United States -- if that isn't historic, well, I don't know what is.

    A few of you have suggested, implied, etc., that the DOJ, on day one, should have indicted Trump for the obstruction cases detailed in the Mueller Report.

    I reject that premise. Now, think about this, why would the DOJ want to aim so low, when we just had the former President, via a year long process of inculcating into the minds and hearts of his fans an immense hatred of democrats, fanned by the flames of incendiary rhetoric, lies bigger than the Republican Mascot, that Democrats stole the election, repeating this line which resulted in his hardest core fans attacking the capital in a juggernaut of rage. and, He's still doing it, and 65 million people believe him, so why, then, should any new DOJ AG settle for a bone, when there's a feast awaiting? To wit:

    Trump has potentially committed a whole array of crimes, while as President, and before.

    Forging government documents

    Criminal disruption of state's elections/subversion.

    Criminal Fraud against the United States.

    Conspiracy to commit Sedition against the United States.

    Tax, Insurance, and Bank fraud for Trump company.

    Trump's kids are currently being subpoenaed and, as leaders of actions under their father's direction, such as delivering fraudulent applications to banks, and taxes to the IRS, are implicated and/or witnesses at the minimum (plea deals, anyone?).


    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Ia3GrIBsiK0wrsysqj2B8q5dM8D_8XuU/view

    I hope this letter finds you well and in good spirits. Please be advised that the District Attorney's Office has received information indicating a reasonable probability that the State of Georgia's administration of elections in 2020, including the State's election of the President of the United States, was subject to possible criminal disruptions. Our office has also learned that individuals associated with these disruptions have contacted other agencies empowered to investigate this matter, including the Georgia Secretary of State, the Georgia Attorney General, and the United State's Attorney's Office for the Northern District of Georgia, leaving this office as the sole agency with jurisdiction that is not a potential witness to conduct related to the matter. As a result, our office has opened an investigation into any coordinated attempts to unlawfully later the outcome of the 2020 elections in this state.

    We have made efforts to interview multiple witnesses and gather evidence, and a significant number of witnesses and prospective witnesses have refused to cooperate with the investigation absent a subpoena requiring their testimony. By way of example, Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensberger, an essential witness to the investigation, has indicated that he will not participate in an interview or otherwise offer evidence until he is presented with a subpoena by my office. Please see Exhibit A, attached to this letter.

    Therefore, I am hereby requesting, .....pursuant....that a special purpose grand jury be impaneled for the purpose of investigating the facts and circumstances relating directly or indirectly to possible attempts to disrupt the lawful administration of the 2020 elections in the State of Georgia.

    And it goes on from there.
     
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  2. FatBack

    FatBack Well-Known Member

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    I bet you guys got them this time the 5,687,000 time is the charm....

    I'll get me a big old cup of covfefe and follow a long breathlessly..... At a bit after 3:00 a.m.
     
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    After hearing a few legal experts weigh in on this it appears Don's best defense is to claim he was delusional at the time he called Raffensperger. Actually, that sounds pretty plausible. He's exhibited signs of being delusional ever since he descended down the escalator.
     
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    So the resident crime boss Joe gets on TV a few nights ago and tells us that our election process is all to heck and we have to revamp it and let the feds do it cause there could have been voter suppression and voter fraud and the folks on their way to the beer store can't stop to vote. The world is coming to an end and unicorns are real..

    and he won that election.....and he is NOW questioning our election process and wants to change it.. No one says nothing

    Trump says there is could have been voter manipulation and voter fraud and he is questioning our election process.... he gets never ending lawsuits.... ain't this the greatest country when one president is being drug over the coals and one is not for the same thing...
     
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    Once Trump's first criminal indictment comes out, they will be dropping like dominoes.
     
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    You know he's got that card up his sleeve and will use it if necessary. There is no low Trump won't stoop to. Take that to the bank.
     
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    Pelosi.
     
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    And the merry go round goes round and round.
    Was it your turn to post the same thing over and over?
    It reminds me of a guy I knew who had recurring thoughts, ideas or sensations (obsessions) that made him feel driven to do something repetitively (compulsions) But the problem was he always wound up with the very same result.

    We have heard thousands of claims of criminal investigations on Trump now going on 5 years which have produced what?
    SQUAT

    You will be sure to notify everyone when an indictment or criminal charge is rendered against Trump, won't you.
    Until then, even the villagers only ran up the hill 3 times to find out there is no wolf so its difficult to believe how Democrats have run up the same hill thousands of times to find no wolf, but continue to cry wolf.

    This mass hysteria is something to behold though.
     
  9. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Speaking of being repetitious, apparently you handle that chore all by yourself.
    Squat? Not if you have a shred of intellectual honesty.

    The FEC’s inexplicable punt on Trump’s hush-money payments

    The decision is both unsurprising and rather inexplicable.

    It’s unsurprising because this is par for the course for the FEC. The bipartisan agency in charge of enforcing campaign finance law has been mired in a state of gridlock for many years, with its key enforcement decisions regularly breaking down along party lines and sometimes without enough members to even function. The decision that was disclosed Thursday pitted two Democrats in favor of moving forward against two Republicans voting against it.

    But while this was probably to be expected, just consider what it means. The underlying issue isn’t just some speculation about something that might have happened; it involves a proven crime tied to Trump — both by the criminal and Trump the SDNY.

    The key issues when it came to Trump’s culpability were whether he was involved in the payments and whether they were intended to influence the election being held shortly thereafter. Cohen said publicly in 2018 that both things were true and later testified under oath to the same effect.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ast-legal-trouble-first-time-post-presidency/
    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5453401-SDNY-Cohen-sentencing-memo.html

    The other unsurprising development was the DoJ, under Billy the Bagman, declining to prosecute.

    Not to mention his illegal obstruction of Mueller, his illegal bribe of Zelensky, the pending trial for rape, the pending investigation for tax fraud, the pending investigation for election coercion.

    You have to set the bar very low indeed after all the despicable, immoral, unethical, criminal things he's done to proudly base your support of him on "yeah but where are the convictions?" Try to be more aspirational in your choices next time around.
     
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    LOL! These scumbags are still trying to cover for their massive election fraud. Sad.
     
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    Be sure to hold your breath.....
     
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    Oh, so you have a list of criminal convictions, indictments, criminal charges, on Trump for ANYTHING?
    EVER?
    As all you keep touting is this constant noise about whats to come.
    I'll wait here.
     
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    I doubt it will matter to The Following. The litany of rationalizations will be endless.
     
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    Do you ever actually read what I post?

    The FEC’s inexplicable punt on Trump’s hush-money payments

    The decision is both unsurprising and rather inexplicable.

    It’s unsurprising because this is par for the course for the FEC. The bipartisan agency in charge of enforcing campaign finance law has been mired in a state of gridlock for many years, with its key enforcement decisions regularly breaking down along party lines and sometimes without enough members to even function. The decision that was disclosed Thursday pitted two Democrats in favor of moving forward against two Republicans voting against it.

    But while this was probably to be expected, just consider what it means. The underlying issue isn’t just some speculation about something that might have happened; it involves a proven crime tied to Trump — both by the criminal and Trump the SDNY.

    The key issues when it came to Trump’s culpability were whether he was involved in the payments and whether they were intended to influence the election being held shortly thereafter. Cohen said publicly in 2018 that both things were true and later testified under oath to the same effect.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ast-legal-trouble-first-time-post-presidency/
    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/5453401-SDNY-Cohen-sentencing-memo.html

    The other unsurprising development was the DoJ, under Billy the Bagman, declining to prosecute.
     
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    Would that be like the litany of hoaxes made up by the left
    Emoluments Clause hoax
    Russia Russia Russia hoax
    The Kavanaugh is an alcoholic high school serial rapist hoax
    The Covington Kids are all white supremist hoax
    The Rittenhouse white supremist murdering vigilante hoax
    The cop was beaten to death with a fire extinguisher hoax
    The illegal aliens drinking out of toilets hoax
    The all Trump loans were signed off by Russian oligarchs hoax
    The Melania is a paid escort hoax
    The Christine Ford hoax
    The Schiff (I have verifiable evidence) hoax
    The Pelosi (Trump told me to inject my lungs with Lysol) hoax
    The Mueller can't make criminal recommendation hoax
    The Jim Crow voting law hoax
    The great Afghanistan evacuation hoax

    I could list hundreds but I can't wait for the litany of rationalizations on these. lol
     
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    Throwing a bunch of feces on the wall is no way to conduct a discussion. Though I do understand why you did it. Getting back to the example I gave you, defrauding the public by making illegal hush money payments to a porn star, the thing I find troubling about your approach is you never examine the evidence. You never consider the evidence points to Trump's guilt, regardless of whether he was prosecuted or convicted. You pretend the evidence doesn't exist unless it resulted in an indictment.
     
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    How do you charge Trump for a crime Cohen already admitted to, said he did it without Trumps knowledge, was charged, disbarred, and sentenced, then went back on his own claim?
     
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    I provided the list of confirmed hoaxes as the reason why most Americans are tired of all the fake accusations going down fake criminal rabbit holes that produce SQUAT.
    Just like the list proves

    And if you are going to make accusations, maybe trying using both sides of the story. FEC violations? Thats it? Something you get a fine for?
    The desperation is getting pretty thick
     
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    You should testify for the news organizations who are settling. You could save them millions.
    Or maybe you can get the 80% viewership back they all lost due to all the fake news they promoted for years.

    And just an FYI, When Mueller claims neither Trump or his campaign conspired with Russia to effect the outcome of the election, nothing you can post is going to change that statement.
    Sorry
     
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    Yeah, right, I just made them all up off the top of my head.
    Playing in pretend land, isn't working for you.
    If you could dispute any one of those claims, you would have.
    They were all national news stories, got debunked, and some of them even cost CNN and MSNBC millions in settlements.
    But you go ahead and pretend they never happened like that has any meaning what so ever.
     
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    Yet he offered volumes of evidence just beneath the level of a criminal conspiracy. Evidence, once again, you refuse to examine. And as you know there were many instances of illegal obstruction.

    Seeing as you offer absolutely nothing in the way of factual refutation or anything approximating credible rebuttal but rather drone on with the same pablum over and over I'm going to say good-bye and good luck. You're ignored.
     
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    No he didn't. Fake

    Yet no criminal recommendations. Go figure

    Seeing how you have no ability to come up with anything but fake news and fake claims over and over that get debunked over and over, you should put me on ignore as you wouldn't know a fact if it crashed through your living room.

    I'm the last person you want to debate as you can't sell the mounds of CNN regurgitations you promote every day.
     
  24. Patricio Da Silva

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    And for a target the size of the most powerful person in the world, it will take that many times to circle the wagons so complete there will be no escape.

    Patience, FatBack, patience.
     
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    Not a compelling rebuttal, sorry

    Just watching what is going on, it is clear that the wagons are circling the president, and closing in.

    That doesn't equal what they tried on the Clintons, for years, and found nothing.

    The difference between the Clintons and Trump are simple:

    With the Clintons, there was nothing to be found.

    With Trump, there is a lot to be found.
     

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