Far From the Front Lines, Javelin Missiles Go Unused in Ukraine

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  1. Badaboom

    Badaboom Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes but that doesn't mean that YOU are less biased or that what they say doesn't match your views oir that what they say is the truth.
     
  2. Jacob E Mack

    Jacob E Mack Well-Known Member

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    There is no evidence Hunter made money illegally or received $3,000,000 in "corrupt money." None. This investigation is into Trump where there is already significant evidence against him. The Hunter allegations were looked into and nothing was found to evidence the claims. On the other hand with Trump, we have the whistleblower, and tomorrow, on Tuesday we have actual witnesses who were on the call itself.
     
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    Javalins are not supposed to be used unless tanks are coming over the horizon.
     
  4. Jacob E Mack

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    I follow the evidence. I take great pains no to be biased. I follow the data and the witness accounts; I also use a multitude of references and not just 1-3. I am an academic researcher looking for the truth. I used the least biased sources.
     
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    The guy with no knowledge of the gas business being put on the board of a foreign gas company at $50k a month while is father is VP... Come on.
     
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    They need to be near the borer where tanks come from; this is Military 101. Yeah, I spoke to military soldiers and strategists on this.
     
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    No investigation, no evidence. Convenient. So far all you have is hearsay about hearsay and the dem clown show's leaked and misleading selective testimony, contrary testimony by witnesses, and still not proof of a quid pro quo.
     
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    You use reference with which you agree and from source that mesh with your views.
    Internet claims aren't worth the bandwith used to disseminate them.
     
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    Again, internet claims aren't worth the bandwith used to disseminate them.
     
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    Turns out it was more like 83K a month according to the financials published by Ukraine. The average Ukranian wage is $7,828 a month. Sweet deal when you have a powerful father that can shut down the investigation into a corrupt company your son works for.
     
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    Evidently you want an incident.
     
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    Nothing illegal or threatening an election cycle. I am not saying Hunter had a perfectly clean record; we know about his military issues, and the cocaine. We know Joe is powerful and was influential but Hunter's position did not threaten Ukrainian security, US elections, or Obama's policy decisions affecting Ukraine. Witnesses say there were optics issues but no wrongdoing. Joe Biden as VP did not promote any companies in Ukraine and Hunter was a private citizen and not a politician. Optics issues? Yes; anything illegal or unethical, no. This is a diversion from Trump's impeachment hearings.
     
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    What a bunch of bovine excrements... Try again and do better this time.
     
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    Not at all. I want Ukraine to deter Russian aggression and feel safe; now, having the javelins and receiving training is beginning to give that sense of security, but if Russian tanks rolled in, the transport time of the javelins is unacceptable.

    I also support NATO continuing to build an air presence near the Baltics as they did when Obama was President. The global rise of Russia needs to be taken seriously, under Putin's regime.
     
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    You have no data, credible evidence, or logical argumentation left, so you must resort to empty replies now. Try using critical thinking and robust evidence. WSJ has some, and that is right-leaning. Otherwise, you can create a brief argument why you think you are right with a thesis, supporting arguments, and logical conclusions. Care to try?
     
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    So it was better under Obama with no lethal support I suppose.
     
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    The javelins are man portable.
     
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    Why? Your mind is already made up. You started from a conclusion and then hunted for sources that fitted your biased and conclusion. As such your whole argument is bovine excrements.
     
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    Is it fair to say you support Trump's invasion force on Russia's border? Our best tanks for instance roam Russia's border.
     
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    I am asking for solid evidence and data.
     
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    Having researched Javelins, they can fly to the Donbas area by air in a very short time. I suspect we do not want Ukraine starting WW 3.
     
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    I wish the US Govt showed actual Russian troops in Donbas. I wish our Government present us video of Russian tanks there too.

    This is true of Donbas. There are almost only Russians living there yet ruled by Ukraine. What would you do if you lived in upper Mexico? Want support from the USA?
     
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    I doubt Ukraine would do that.
    It is a dicey issue, but I will look more into it before I comment.
     
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    As I see Hunters problem is is more legal than a threat. Hunter was a director. As a Director he was directing a corrupt organization. Similar I hear, to say he sat on the board of Directors of the Mafia.
     
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    Hunter sat on a board and part of his job was to stop corruption and provide feedback to help the company become more legitimate. However, do I know how effective he was? No, I do not. Do I know his exact duties? No, I do not. Can I say he "should" have been there? No, I cannot. All I can say is the evidence does not show he was doing anything illegal by being there. Optics issue? Yes.
     
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