Far From the Front Lines, Javelin Missiles Go Unused in Ukraine

Fact, neither the rebel or the ukraininan for that matter has readilly access to armored vehicule, much less MBT. The ukrainian separatist have even pulled out T34 from museum.
So the Ukrainian use for those missiles wouldn only be in case of a full fledge russian invasion for which a few Javelins won't do any good.

 

Hunter said this? Actually given his penchant to do drugs, seems highly unlikely.

 

Interesting. Javelins as anti-tank weapons supplement their humvees, tanks etc...

 

They're nice to have but they don't really need them at the front presently.

 

I edited my post; please see the update. Hunter, as far as I know, has been of drugs now a long time. Do I know him personally, no, of course not, but yeah, his role was to help the company get away from corruption. The exact mechanisms I do not know at this time.

 

Having researched military strategy and javelins themselves, they serve as an excellent deterrent and are very effective against tanks. They can take out Russian tanks quick.

 

Except for the fact that IF the russians attack, the whole front line positions will be targetted and erradicated by massive air and artillery attacks BEFORE the tanks roll in. Also, since Russian doctrine is to send infantery with the tanks, those javelin operator will be quite busy not getting their position overrunned and may lack the time to really be effective. Hence why it's better to have them in a second line, well prepared position and not at the front.

 

As A former director of the Bay East Board of directors in Alameda County (a super huge board) nobody told me my job was to stop corruption.

However this leads to my fight to in fact stop corruption. My story is the CEO was corrupt. He was paid very well yet had credit cards in his name to pay himself a handsome extra $3500 and more per month. Keeping it a secret, until finally exposed, things like expensive sunglasses were paid for using members funds.

Both as a Director along with a committee job on Budget and Finance, I knew his private purchases were not disclosed to that committee nor we on the Board. I tell you, he had his protectors as Directors. They fought me all the time since I had a role in the spending by the Board. There were a ration of things he bought for himself personally that he never told either group about. such as his girlfriend having her airfare paid for when the CEO flew around America on board business.

 

As I told you, they can be flown there in a short time by air. I have not heard of Russian tanks in the Russian Armor being in Donbas. Do you believe Putin put tanks inside of Donbas? Also since I personally have fired the 3.5 Rocket launcher, a anti Tank weapon, and know how they and the Javelin work, I expect as added Ammo our forces do have rounds that can be effective against an infantry force. All infantry these days is mechanized so particular vehicles would be a natural target so long as Javelin operators have particular ammo with them. I suppose we sent to Ukraine particular ammo that is effective on more than Tanks.

 

That is your experience in your position, and that is fine. What I can say, and I do know is Obama was both allied with Ukraine and fighting corruption there. What I can also say is Joe Biden never endorsed a company in Ukraine. I can also say Hunter's role in many ways is still opaque, but part of his hiring by Burisma was to add legitimacy to the company and advise how to steer from corruption and other business threats with his areas of expertise. What does he know about oil and gas? I have no idea--yet. I'll keep digging.

 

Thing is, The Ukrainian don't have the means to retake the region without drawing the russians in, and the rebel don't have the means to defeat the remnant of the ukrainian army without russias help. So in both cases, russia will be involved which mean that a few javelins won't really matter much unless the US and european are ready to take the russians on.

The same stalemate exist with Taiwan.

 

By the way, I am enjoying our dialogue. It is interesting from our two experiences and perspectives. The short time by air is not inaccurate, but it may still be too long to serve in true defense, and therefore, is less of a deterrent as well. I have to get back to my research in my PhD, but I will get back to you when I have new information. I do not want to just use this article I referenced; I'll need more data and news.

 

You don't have enough info to declare either of those thing.

 

That's 100% true; agreed.

 

I do have some information; enough to support my claims you quoted, but more specifics; no not yet.

 

I prefer to go with the old adage: If a politician lips are moving, he's lying. When a politician isn't busy kissing a baby, he's trying to steal is pacifier.

 

How long have you been an Anti Trump fighter?

By the way, why are you relying on the corrupt American MSM? Sounds like things we find at MSNBC to me.

 

From what I have learned, 10,000 Citizens of Ukraine are in a civil war against the then corrupt Government of Ukraine. Zelensky perhaps is in a much better position to reframe it and solve it. Most living in Donbas are actually genuine Russians who remained there from the old days. But I believe you assessed it properly.

 

Baseless questions that don't deserve further comment.

 

Have you thought of this. A region that wants to be part of Ukraine certainly can be. But given it does not want to be part of Ukraine, in effect a small civil war, should we be party to forcing them to be part of a government they reject?

I saw Crimea the same way. Sure we think it should still be part of Ukraine but should we speak for them when they say no to Ukraine?

When Kosovo said no to Czechoslovakia, Clinton said hell yes and went to war against Czechoslovakia to help out the illegals in Kosovo.

 

So you are a Trump supporter? Sorry for the question then.

 

It's not a black and white world.

People can agree to some things and disagree with others. I disagree with Trump on many things but agree on many things too.

 

Many of us wish Trump was better with his communications on some of the media. But on other media he is outstanding.

Things I wish came from Trump is a refutation of the Federal Income tax system. I think GW Bush was more effective on that fight.

 

I personaly disagree with much of his foreign trade positions, especialy when it comes to long standing trade agreement between long times partners that in the end were for bloody nothing since nothing really changed beside a silly name change. I also believe that China could have been dealth without ressorting to tarifs which are hurting the lower income earners. I agree with is defense and foreign military interventions policies though.

I do agree with him on is internal policies, including the justice and sentencing reforms. I also find all the circus by the democrats and the left in general quite silly. The USA has had way worst characters at the helm, many of them democrats.

 

My understanding is that even without the help of Congress, once fully implemented and fully agreed to, are a vast improvement over the former agreements. I do not sympathize with China so approve the Tariffs. Actually the Tariffs have worked to taxpayer advantage given the revenue received from China.
OMB declares we regular Americans are not being hurt such as paying higher prices. It seems this has been borne by China.

Sentencing reforms actually helped in general Democrats given they comprise the bulk of the prisons.

Take in Florida for instance. Democrats are fighting for convicts to vote. No doubt they understand who supports them.