Father and son charged with murder of Georgia jogger.

There never should have been a reason to wrestle a gun away. NONE.

But go ahead and blame the victim.

 

Citizens arrest is legal in that state. Also they didn't fire on him as he approached but, rather when he attempted to take the gun from the guy's hands. He is grabbing with both hands onto the shotgun as the first shot goes off and then continues to punch the guy as he fails to disarm/claim the gun. There probably wasn't a thought in either of their minds of "giving up" because that would result in their death. Once he committed to going into a full frontal assault there was no turning back.

Also there is a hammer in the street, the guy is wearing hightops/boots, and is miles from where he lives... Plus has a record of convictions such as bringing a firearm into a school while evading police where he was eventually caught luckily enough when he dropped the gun.

 

Point missed, not surprised. GIGO as usual from you.

 

Point not missed.
You attempt and failed to blame the victim.
His fault for confronting the one with the gun. When there should have been no confrontation with a gun in the 1st place. You are surprised people catch on to your GIGO.

That is why you made it personal. You got called out.

 

Doesn't understand what "making it personal" means either. Not surprised.

 

Neither of the McMichaels claimed to have seen the victim committing a crime. They found his behavior, jogging, suspicious and chose to pursue. In Georgia you can not initiate a citizen’s arrest for suspicion. You have to be a first hand witness to the crime. They were not legally justified in attempting the arrest, armed or otherwise. Their unlawful actions cost a man his life.

 

You aren't going to be able to justify it to me. Sorry.

 

Close your eyes and imagine two black guys pull over in a pick up and hold a gun on you ... I guess you can pretend that your
response is going to be the perfect one, but you don't really know, do you?

But the guys in the truck? They had every opportunity to do the right thing by following the guy and waiting for the police.
The guy is dead because two John Wayne wanna-be screwed up and put the black guy in a position he should have never been forced into. That's the bottom line.

 

I see quite a few wearing various forms of bandanna or face coverings lately.
Should we shoot them all or just the black ones?

 

If two black guys pull over and aim guns at me... I'm already dead statistically speaking.

Sure, they put him into a position of either surrendering, fleeing, or fighting. He chose to go into a melee with a guy wielding a shotgun... mind you he went around the truck to get better chance of attacking the shotgun wielding redneck. He wasn't attempting an evasive maneuver to get away he was attempting to get ahold of the gun or disarm the man. With his prior record I'd probably go along the lines he was attempting to kill the men rather than escape at this point.

He could have just ran into the forest where the truck has zero chances of catching him and seeing how fat the two guys were I doubt they'd catch him. At least he would be getting behind cover and distancing himself from these men. Either it was intelligence thing or just an overally aggressive personality. Maybe both.

Now is it murder that these two men committed? I'd say no. They had ever opportunity to kill him as they passed him on the road and as he approached them on foot. Instead the shots were only fired when he tried to grab the gun. It's manslaughter at this point.

 

Lets see what the investigation finds here. Georgia already has a reputation for burying murder cases that might implicate KKK members, and they are everywhere in Georgia, hidden right smack in the middle of the community because many of them are either in LE or government.

Just watch the HBO docuseries, Atlanta's Missing and Murdered: The Lost Children, which covers the 1979-81 Atlanta child murders of which they arrested Wayne Williams (a blackman) as the scapegoat.

 

He had every right to kill them once they pulled a weapon on him. Hopefully the state now does it.

It would not be classified as manslaughter as there is premeditation in loading weapons in their vehicle, following him, approaching him, and brandishing a weapon. Second degree murder could be argued but they will likely push for first degree murder, or since it was GA they might just give them time served and a red cap.

 

The ONLY robbery reported in the community in recent months was from the home of the accused father and son who claimed someone broke into their truck and stole a gun????

 

You have zero idea what the degrees of murder are. This may classify as attempted kidnapping... with manslaughter. If the party in question had no intention of killing considering they didn't shoot him prior him charging them it looks conclusive that they wanted to arrest him.

1st degree requires premeditation which this is in the heat of the moment so this fails.
2nd degree requires intentionally killing and considering at the end of the altercation there was no attempt to "finish" him off it won't hold either. As soon as the man was no longer able to fight the other guy broke off and he continually attempted to break off from the fight. Also with the attempt to arrest the man there is no intention of killing either.
Manslaughter is the only charge that could be held against them if their citizens arrest doesn't hold water.

 

Sorry two months is a very short time for a murder investigation. I wonder was the black guy wearing ear buds. I've seen a lot of joggers wearing them and head phones back in the day. Not a good idea.

 

Unfortunately Georgia is one of a few states which do not have hate crime laws.

 

They didn’t just shoot him. He went for the guys gun which really isn’t in dispute. Then he was shot.

 

Definition of personal
(Entry 1 of 2)

1: of, relating to, or affecting a particular person : PRIVATE, INDIVIDUALpersonal ambitionpersonal financial gain
2a: done in person without the intervention of anotheralso : proceeding from a single person
b: carried on between individuals directlya personal interview
3: relating to the person or body

I forgot. I was posting to a tRUMP er.
But it's not difficult to google a definition.

 

Supposedly. They have a citizen arrest law.

A white person can try to arrest a black person. If it fails. Shoot black person.

Then not get charged. Because black person had to be leaving a possible crime scene. Citizen arrest ok.

 

This is murder. People rarely kill someone out of love. Hate crime laws are completely idiotic and are only there for the feel good snowflakes. I do not care why you commit the crime, I only care that you commit the crime.

 

Not my problem.

 

Oh, it just became public. The inept Ga police who are white, forgot to ask the guy with the video.

 

You want to try an actual response. I'm pretty sure the coroner would have noticed. Not that it excuses the two morons who shot the jogger.

My point is simply that if you're going jogging leave the ear buds at home. It is sadly possible that if he was wearing them he may not have heard anything those idiots said or even noticed them until he was shot.

 

Doesn't understand what "making it personal" means, not surprised.

 

It was out and out cold blooded murder, and the neighbor shooting the video was in on it, they basically trapped the jogger between their two pickup trucks.