FBI recovered 11 sets of classified documents in Trump search: report

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  1. The Mello Guy

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    From you? Yes, it sure does!
     
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    Not the right whining ;)
     
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    Failure to catch him? Maybe
     
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    More vague info for those who eagerly suckle from partisan media nipples. I am not fooled by "boxes full of nuclear secrets" and brown paper packages tied up with string.
     
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    Ya, I expected a dodge :) Like fishing really ;)
     
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    You are joking right? Or are you that ignorant of how things work?

    The American Bar Association states that the Executive Order is enforced under the law until the President, whoever that may be, revokes it or the court deems the EO unconstitutional, whichever may apply. Trump revoked certain Obama Executive Orders, Biden did the same, Obama did with Bush, and so forth. Those executive orders that are not revoked are still enforced under the law. But here is what the ABA says, "The President may fight the ruling in the courts, including to go through the appeals process. In the case of a federal district court judge, the appeal will go to the U.S. Circuit Court in the judicial circuit in which the federal court sits. Ultimately, the President may seek U.S. Supreme Court review (although the Supreme Court can decide whether or not it wants to hear the case). If different circuits come to different conclusions on the validity of an Executive Order, it is more likely the U.S. Supreme Court will grant review to avoid confusion. The Department of Justice, which reports to the Attorney General, generally represents the President in these proceedings."

    https://www.americanbar.org/groups/...ive orders are issued,from a course of action.


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    Say what? If an executive order modifies an existing executive order, then yes. However, there is no executive order by Trump stating that these are declassified. No where in the National archieves does it mention that.

    The legality is quite clear from this link when it comes to national security secrets. And then you have this article that explains it in simpler terms.

    Other resources include the following:

    https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/laws/national-security-information

    https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-32/subtitle-B/chapter-XX/part-2001

    https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-18/chapter-I/subchapter-A/part-3a

    https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12183

    All of these links, if you read them, give precisely who, what, when, where, why, and how a Top secret, secret, and confidential records are to be classified, and by whom, and how to declassify them. Nowhere in the links state or imply that a mere word by the president is sufficient PERIOD. Yes, the President can say it can, but the procedures described in the links must be followed.
     
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    Thread after thread whining about the fbi being mean
     
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    Failure to catch and HOLD would be a better example ;)
     
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    Every video/picture I've seen of FBI raids show them carrying weapons. It's beyond bizarre to make a request to show them like this guy did.
     
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    In your interpretation, I would think :) Crossing ones fingers and squinting really hard may be the cause..
     
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    Like I say, the realm of the ridiculous!
     
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    If you do not have clearance to view the document, you are violating several laws in the Espionage Act.

    Second, all presidential records are owned by the national archives per the Presidential Records Act of 1978. That is quite clear. Personal documents, such as passports in his name, wife's name, or in Barron's name, is owned by DJT.

    I only viewed documents that I had clearance for and nothing else. Did not even attempt, much less thought about, viewing documents that I had no clearance for.
     
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    It makes one wonder why someone is participating on a discussion forum if they don't bother looking at news reports on a subject being discussed.
     
  14. Alwayssa

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    Standard Marching Orders, SMO!
     
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    From my experience, when a website has to push the word truth it's generally geared towards the impressionable :)
     
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    What was the name of that controversial government agency Biden tried to create? Truth Ministry or something like that?
     
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    But, going on the assumption that the sitting president can classify and declassify at will, that scenario is possible.
    I doubt it, but according to what some have posted, possible and legal.
     
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    You obviously have not done your research, have you?

    Here are the following links:
    https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12183

    https://www.justice.gov/archives/open/declassification/declassification-faq

    https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/laws/national-security-information

    https://www.lawfareblog.com/thought...classification-and-declassification-authority

    https://www.archives.gov/about/laws/appendix/12958.html

    https://sgp.fas.org/crs/secrecy/RS21900.pdf

    https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-32/subtitle-B/chapter-XX/part-2001

    https://guides.ll.georgetown.edu/c.php?g=365986&p=5376077

    These are the links governing, in general, declassification of documents, especially the ones that are top secret, secret, and confidential where national security is involved. Each agency also has its own procedures, designated by the President for more routine confidential and secret documents that do not involve national security. But those procedures are too numerous to mention or list here.

    In essence, you are wrong when it comes to this.
     
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    A 6 year witch hunt is political persecution. McCarthyism on a scale Joe McCarthy could not have imagined.

    In fact, the FBI is rarely punished for its crimes -- not even for election rigging.

    “Lyndon Johnson enjoyed Hoover’s gossip (he once famously said that it was “better to have him inside the tent pissing out, than outside the tent pissing in”), but the two were on opposing sides in the 1968 race. As a last-ditch effort to help the troubled Hubert Humphrey campaign, Johnson announced the resumption of peace talks with North Vietnam. He soon learned, however, that South Vietnam’s president Nguyen Van Thieu was sabotaging the effort, convinced he could get a better deal if Nixon won. Madame Anna Chennault, a GOP leader and a close friend of South Vietnam’s ambassador Bui Diem, was the person whispering in Thieu’s ear. Gentry writes that when information turned up that she was communicating to Nixon through Spiro Agnew, Johnson thought he had clinched the election for Humphrey, but Agnew’s phone records just happened to turn up missing. The investigation was closed and Nixon went on to a narrow victory.”
    THE NATION, This Is Not the First Time the FBI Has Interfered With a Presidential Election, By Jeff Kisseloff, October 31, 2016.
    https://www.thenation.com/article/a...-has-interfered-with-a-presidential-election/
     
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    Well, of course, because you know.. lawyer welfare and all...
     
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    Actually, it isn't. Public domain means public domain. Only petty tyrants, and it seems democrats, engage in thought crimes...
     
  23. dairyair

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    It's like those who are followers of trump are not real Americans.
    They care nothing for laws or the constitution.

    Pretty sad about 1/3 of the country could be so UnAmerican.
     
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    The threat of an unstable liar is no longer in power.
    The one who adores the likes of Putin and Jong Il. Dictators.
    Now we just need to rid the world of a few more from dictators from power.
     
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    LOL, you really are in deep for the love of trump.

    The guy is caught with documents at his residence, the secrecy of those documents unknown or the type at this point.
    And all you care about is trump. Not 1 care for what it could mean to the security of the USA.
     

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