Female Body Ownership excuse is flawed

Discussion in 'Abortion' started by squid5689, Oct 10, 2011.

  1. OKgrannie

    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Why do you think? Women allow (imagine, sometimes women even encourage it) men to do it for the same reason men do it...they WANT to have sex. It is a powerful biological drive. That's the same reason people have always had sex. Fear of pregnancy is not a strong enough deterrent.
     
  2. RPA1

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    I see, so you are saying that women just can't control themselves, they MUST allow a man to ejaculate into them even though they dread pregnancy and even though they have no idea whether the man will stay and help raise the product of their sex-session.

    In the past, women respected themselves enough to be able to control their urges and make a man prove his worthiness.

    Now, apparently 'choice' is synonymous with killing a fetus instead of choosing wisely in the first place.
     
  3. OKgrannie

    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually, people are the same as they have always been. Women have always had pregnancies as a result of illicit activity, they just had to go to extreme lengths to hide them. Women have always had abortions to hide those pregnancies. No matter how wisely a woman tries to be when choosing a mate, it is not possible to predict how he will react 20 years down the road. The most careful women have been fooled.
     
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    Just as I thought, women are their own worst enemy. They can't control themselves so they blame it on men. You're right, nothing has changed. Believe me, men know all about trying to predict the opposite sex, 20 years down the road a man will probably see thousands of 'changes' in their 'chosen one.'
     
  5. OKgrannie

    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Women have gotten the blame for centuries for unplanned pregnancies. You're blaming them too.."they can't control themselves." They still are getting the blame, but now they can do something about it safely.
     
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    Women have multiple means of preventing pregnancy. They can abstain from sex. They can use any one of the many different and safe birth control options designed for women, such as the pill, the ring, IUDs, the patch, the sponge, barriers, etc.

    Abortion just allows them to avoid the consequences of foolish decisions or reckless behavior. It takes away any need for responsibility or foresight on the part of the woman.
     
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    OKgrannie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Women can be responsible and use foresight concerning BC and STILL get pregnant. I suppose abortion does give women the chance to correct a mistake, what's wrong with that? A baby shouldn't be a punishment for a mistake.
     
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    I don't refute the woman's right to 'self-sovereign'...but I DO expect her to be responsible. There are thousands of statutes and laws that abridge our right to 'self sovereign'...we can't steal, we can't not pay taxes, we can't yell 'fire' in a crowded theatre, we have to attend school, we have to pay taxes..

    Funnily enough, society hasnt' collapsed into tyranny. (I am assuming here that you are fighting with equal vigor the requirement that we use certain lightbulbs and can't use toilets that use more than a spit's worth of water, right? being so sure rules and laws are sooo oppressive and all)

    but regardless, I won't object or fight to repeal Roe v Wade as long as MY tax money isn't used to pay for it or MY insurance company isn't required to cover it.

    and young girls aren't given them without their parent's consent.
     
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    this is the attitude of the Prodeathers...babies are no different from animals..it's how they can walk by a child crushed on the street and not even blink...babies are worthless to them
     
  10. injest

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    what is the source of your bitterness toward men, mothers and children? I am guessing it has something to do with rejection.
     
  11. injest

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    yeah, a baby isn't a cake.

    or a bald eagle

    or a couch..

    just because you view a baby that way doesn't mean everyone does
     
  12. injest

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    no she saves her sympathy for all the women that are so stupid they dont' know about birth control and have so little self esteem or control that they can't prevent themselves from screwing around and getting knocked up

    no, you are misogynist because you don't raise your daughters to be whores, you are stifling their sexual expressions...you cant' expect your daughters to grow up to be good little feminists if they don't view themselves as after dinner mints to be passed around freely..after which (when they are a little older and less desirable) they can join the bitter ranks of the other feminists to complain about how all men are sorry bastards...
     
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    lies! You are spreading flat out lies, proof that your position is undefendable and you KNOW it is a lie yet you continue.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPF1FhCMPuQ"]Gianna Jessen Abortion Survivor in Australia Part 1 - YouTube[/ame]

    http://hungryheartsministries.com/id214.html

    http://www.nrlc.org/news/2003/NRL10/protecting_infants_who_survive_a.htm

    shall I continue?
     
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    I think you hit it on the head...

    repetition of known lies, hoping that no one will call them out is the calling card of the zealot.
     
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    Albert Di Salvo New Member

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    Who controls the body of a female trapped inside the body of a man?
     
  16. injest

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    women should get OVER themselves too, sure men view them as fun little toys, but they aren't essential, men can survive without them.

    hmmm...doesn't sound so good turned around does it?

    you know, if feminists treated their men better, they wouldn't keep losing them to other women...women that dont' see men as 'nonessential'...:sun:
     
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    what would be the point? I don't have to justify men or defend them to you, your male bashing shows you have a deep seated prejudice that won't be moved by anything any of us can say.

    bigots stay bigots til THEY choose to change...
     
  18. injest

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    Makedde is a female, check her profile.
     
  19. injest

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    yep those that are unfortunate enough to be mated to an idealogue that hates men will usually dump them at SOME point and find a woman that appreciates them.
     
  20. injest

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    and then the woman complains about how the man doesn't support her...feminists want it both ways...they think they should be allowed to rewrite THEIR part of the bargain but men shouldn't.
     
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    because the ONLY way a woman can 'prove' how oh so liberated she has become is to have sex with no commitment of course!

    not by working or going to school or building a career...nope the ONLY way a woman can be 'liberated' is to have casual sex.
     
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    they would have you believe that history is a lie and that all those Victorian women and girls were hiking their skirts in the buggies left and right...

    they would rewrite history to where all women were aborting babies left and right and there was NEVER a virtuous woman, never a time when men and women respected one another..never a time when a woman went to the marriage bed a virgin..
     
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    BINGO!

    what did I just say?
     
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    now they will all run in and tell you that it is possible (no matter HOW remotely) to get pregnant even with all these precautions...

    I never realized til I came here how many people get pregnant from stray sperm wandering the street...

    poor helpless women...
     
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    again...I am right..

    (sounds just like Obama, doesnt' she? "punish with a baby!")
     
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