Five amendments Dems will propose to Keystone XL bill

No, you are making these numbers up out of thin air. Come back when you have an actual source.

 

I do disagree with government telling land owners what they can and cannot do with their land. Only if what they do violates the property rights of others can there be restrictions. Do you believe the government should be allowed to force landowners to grant easements or forfeit their property for the building of an oil pipeline?

 

do you even know how the oil market works? Oil is a commodity do you even know how the commodities market works?
from your post I can tell you don't have a clue
commodities are sold on the global market it doesn't matter where the oil came from it is all lumped together for the purpose of sale. when you buy oil your not buying American oil or Saudi oil or Canadian oil your buying oil you don't decide where that oil came from oil is oil according to the market

 

There is a major difference between "telling" businesses how to than there is in implementing reasonable regulations that benefit all. You know (at least I hope you do) that there are businesses that would cut every corner to increase profits and to hell with any damage to the environment or anything else, as long as the bigger bucks keep on rolling. They are then happy to pick up, move on and leave their mess behind for everyone else to clean up. Face it, even with the regulations we have and the penalties we have for ignoring them, there are still people who flout them.

 

blame the republican govonors, they were the ones supposed to create the shovel ready jobs for your state

 

Please read the link I posted as to why this will have a negative effect on the environment. As for Mr. Buffet, I don't give a rat's patoot about his railroad.

 

gee, then if oil was sustainable it would not need any subsidies or funding by our gov

research is still needed to improve battery technology... that is the big thing holding green energy back


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Indeed. In order to produce the same amount of energy that a medium size nuclear plant can produce, you would have to blanket the entire state of Rhode Island with windmills. In order to replicate the amount of energy the world uses now, you'd have to blanket every square inch of the earth's land masses with solar panels.

Doesn't leave much room for plants, animals or us.

 

Agreed. It will end up being made the same way the SF Bay Bridge was. Every section made in China, shipped and assembled. Crappy craftmanship be damned.

 

Two of them are ok but that's about it.

One of them is nothing more than another welfare program.

One of them is designed to funnel more money to crony green energy companies like Solyndra.

So let's compromise and drop the BS.

 

Indeed. All those jobs lost because the union told the workers that Hostess would cave. The Teamsters reworked their contract with Hostess because they knew Hostess wasn't playing around.

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Indeed. The Alberta Tar Sands alone can fuel all of our petroleum needs plus increases in population for the next 500 years.

Let's also remember that petrol products are in about 90% of consumer goods.

 

The Union was willing to take cuts to pay and pensions so long as the executives were as well. The executives refused to make any kind of sacrifice for the company.

They are the ones who killed it.

 

I'm no oil expert, but that is a chart of refined oil, right? Does that include only sweet crude? I don't see plastics anywhere on that chart, and know for a fact those use more than the .5% in the misc column of your chart. In order to invalidate the claim that only 10% of oil ends up on our roads, you need more than stats on -refined- oil uses I would think. I'm too lazy and not inclined to look it up, but suspect the 10% figure of all oil produced ends up on our roads is not far off.

 

Of course, I use oil.

But I also support any policy or investment that will lead to me using less of it, something conservatives rigidly oppose.

Conservative believe in crumbling infrastructure, too, Which is why the Federal gas tax hasn't been increased since the Reagan adminstration. Paying for 2015 infrastructure with 1980's cash flow has caused the transportation trust fund to go into deficit for the first time in its history.

Solyandra collapsed because the Chinese flooded the market with cheap solar panels, but right winger give the Chinese a total pass. Besides the loan fund that included the Solynadra deal is profitable. that dispite a couple of failures endlessly repeated by right wingers who speak in code words without doing any research.

 

Who is to say even with these Amendments that Obama wont veto it anyways?

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You know you are posting from a non clean energy keyboard right? Its called plastic.

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Well you see that was different somehow....

 

Then stop clucking about conservatives when you rely on oil also.

Let the private sector deal with alternative energy. When the need for alternative energy becomes apparent, it will be available.

Our bridges and roads have need work for forty+ years. Obama wants another roads project because he is out of ideas for jobs. And after the roads are built, just like in '09, those guys will be out of work.

Solyndra was crony capitalism brought to you by Obama, nothing more. Obama thinks you can make people convert. And Obama is wrong.

 

In the United States, 0% of crude oil goes to making plastics. Plastics are not derived from crude oil. They are derived from petroleum products, which are created during the refining process. Those products are listed in the chart. Liquefied Refinery Gas is one such product used to make plastics, which is 3.9% of the total. The 10% figure is completely bogus.

 

Do you need to be lead to do this? You can't do that on your own? I forgot where I got the quote below, but I save it because it's just so true.

"We can prove our beliefs by our committal to them, and in no other way. If you hate Big Oil, give up your car. If you think coal causes global warming, close your account with the electric company. To not do those things makes one a hypocrite."

 

3%??? looks like Democrats believe in crumbling infrastructure, too,

 

Derp.... will you kindly read what you just spewed? Thank you.

You seem to have a warped understanding of petroleum chemistry. Do you know what kinds of hydrocarbons are used in plastics manufacturing?

 

Ayuh,.... Just what do you think those petroleum products were, before the distillation process began,..??

 

Good Reccomendations


#2 Require U.S.-produced iron, steel and manufactured goods “to be used for the pipeline construction, connection, operation, and maintenance.” It’s another familiar measure that senators like Markey and Sen. Ron Wyden (D-Ore.) have offered.

#5 Prohibit a state from permitting a foreign corporation to invoke eminent domain. This addresses a key part of a case that will soon be decided by the Nebraska Supreme Court on the legality of the state’s approval of a route for the pipeline there. “Many Republicans have raised serious objections to the use of eminent domain by local American governments, and unless they believe the authority is less troubling when exercised by a foreign company they should vote for this amendment,” Schumer and Stabenow wrote.

Some of those are just nutter crap.

#1 Ban the export of oil transported through the pipeline, language that Sen. Ed Markey (D-Mass.) has frequently floated in both chambers of Congress (Why would you do that to the market? Stupidity.)

#3 Require “that for every job created by the pipeline, an equal or greater amount of jobs is created through clean energy investments.” Schumer and Stabenow highlight legislation from Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) that would cut the price of home solar units through rebates. (Sorry, you Liberals (Boxer) have cost thousands of Clean Energy Jobs. - See San Onofre Nuclear Plant for starters and Vermont Yankee Nuclear Plant and the stoppage of STP 3&4 Nuclear Plants + more.... Plus "Shovel Ready Jobs" my ass.)

I would have to know more before being able to offer an opinion on #4

#4 Restore funding for the Low Income Home Energy Assistance Program to levels authorized in the 2009 economic stimulus bill under the condition that seniors and veterans get first priority.

 

You mean like the wind mills you lib's love so much?

Not to worry...plenty of illegals...oh, I mean soon to be legal dem's, will fill the employment gap.

LOL...you just can't help putting your foot in it can you? You suck up to a community organizer who's spiritual leader screams "gawd damn America" and then try to act all patriot....geesh....you're so full of it ..

 

Please someone explain the industry more to me because I know nothing about it. What % of all oil captured ends up in gasoline? Is all captured oil refined? I thought only sweet crude was refined into fuel and the rest wasn't so much refined. Please explain because it's something I'd like to know but not interested in doing all the research.