For Those Who Deify our Military and its Members

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by Dave1mo, Jun 21, 2012.

  1. RiseAgainst

    RiseAgainst Banned

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    For the most part I agree. I am sure if I dissect your position on this I'll find much where we differ, but we're in more agreement than disagreement here. Right wingers just haven't come to the realization that you cannot love a neoimperialist, over bloated military and small government at the same time. It just will not ever become a reality. This is why the troops are "fighting for our freedoms" but the more they fight the more liberty we lose if you haven't noticed. We have created a monster and it's time we let DC remember who the (*)(*)(*)(*) is in charge. We have the power, conservatives are just so pathetically weak these days. Liberals are a lost cause, they will continue to grow government and worship it as they go along. I feel like we can wake up conservatives but maybe it will take the government paid thugs to molest their daughters before they wake up.
     
  2. DeathStar

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    I'm less emotionally against social programs/public education than I am emotionally against violent murder of people in the name of the Big Tyrannical Police and Military State, whereas most righties are the opposite which I find disgusting. Flat out put.

    But we can't let irresponsible people reproduce as often as they want and then flood the market with low skill, failure and crime/violence. Welfarism currently encourages that, which is EXACTLY why welfare is at an all time high; that along with increasingly meglomaniacal outsourcing and worse yet, inflation :puke:

    I am a geo-libertarian, meaning I only differ from miniarchist capitalists in that I realize that monopolies over physical resources-as well as knowledge/education/training/credentials (the nonphysical resources), will eventually result in collapse of society or at least an unnecessarily rough ride for people who don't deserve it; i.e. way overly constricted social mobility.

    I also have to say that I disagree with the rampant personal subjective biases that employers use to destroy any opportunity for people who might actually have the ability to be productive, but who don't fit the SUPERFICIALITY that employers often demand (for instance, not hiring people based on having tattoos, not being a certain height, having facial hair etc.); I mean, the whole idea of the free market is that mutually voluntary exchanges benefit everyone, but I don't see how denying someone an opportunity to not only get ahead, but be productive, based on superficial/immaterial things benefits anyone. But idk. Employers' rights and all that jazz.
     
  3. Bluespade

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    I see the fact that you're full of (*)(*)(*)(*), and have no clue what you are talking about.
     
  4. Dave1mo

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    Solid refutation right there.
     
  5. PatrickT

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    Except Bluespade is right and you are wrong. Your hatred overrides your sense.
     
  6. Dave1mo

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    "I'm right and you're wrong." That's a great argument; you must be an expert debater.
     
  7. submarinepainter

    submarinepainter Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    But research funded by the U.S. Department of Justice estimates that 1 out of 5 college women will be sexually assaulted. NPR's investigative unit teamed up with journalists at the Center for Public Integrity (CPI) to look at the failure of schools — and the government agency that oversees them — to prevent these assaults and then to resolve these cases.

    http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=124001493


    http://www.iwatchnews.org/accountability/education/sexual-assault-campus

    here is bunch of articles it happens quite often on campus
     
  8. Dave1mo

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    And then there is a legal recourse, unlike the failure of the chain of command in the military to address the accusations.
     
  9. Ethereal

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    It was refuted quite easily, actually. You are just sidestepping the refutation.

    Your entire position is based upon anecdotal evidence and unsubstantiated statistics. I have provided actual data that shows colleges are more dangerous to women than the military.

    Really, the evidence, and your lack thereof, speaks for itself.
     
  10. Ethereal

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    My post was not an admission of anything, drug-related or otherwise. Ethereal disavows any and all statements made by Ethereal, whether in private or in public. Ethereal is not responsible for the dissemination, propagation, perpetuation, or endorsement of information or positions related to or otherwise construed as to be related to the manufacture, distribution, sale, purchase, or use of illegal drugs.

    :)
     
  11. Dave1mo

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    You're comparing a population where women are the majority to a population where women are the vast minority.

    Really, your inability to digest basic statistics speaks for itself.
     
  12. Ethereal

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    Yea, look out. The military is on its way to fondle your daughters America! It's why we joined, after all...:roll:
     
  13. Sturmgeist

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    Shhhh! You aren't supposed to confirm phase II! Maybe an OPSEC violation?
     
  14. Herkdriver

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    It's court martial, not "marshal."

    If you're going to attack the military at least get your terminology correct to add credibility.
     
  15. DonGlock26

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    How did they get those statistics?


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  16. Ethereal

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    Then let's adjust the figures, shall we?

    203,695 women as of 2010.

    http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004600.html

    19,000 incidents as estimated by SecDev.

    19,000/203,695=0.093

    0.093*100%=9.3%

    So, 25% of women in college as compared to 9.3% of women in the military.

    Whoops, you're still completely wrong.
     
  17. Ethereal

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    Oh, right! Operation Molestation is still TOP SECRET...
     
  18. Sturmgeist

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    I'm just wondering who wrote the OPORD's TTMU that Dave found saying that "All subordinate units not assigned to Operation Steal Liberty are assigned with Ravage All Preteens Everywhere (RAPE) Units."
     
  19. Dave1mo

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    Wrong about what?
     
  20. Ethereal

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    There is also a legal recourse in the military. You simply choose to ignore that fact and rely instead on inaccurate generalizations that are based upon anectodotal evidence.
     
  21. Ethereal

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    Everything, really.
     
  22. Dave1mo

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    Ah, because you've thrown up a straw man in which I stated that women were more likely to be raped in the military than in college. Oops, you got called out on it!
     
  23. jcarlilesiu

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    That crime exists in all facets of society and organizations?

    What, on the other hand, do you have to say about it? That because of criminal actions in the military and failure of the judicial system, that somehow the overwhelming majority of our military is not honorable?
     
  24. Dave1mo

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    Oh, really? Then why is it that the SECRETARY OF DEFENSE is calling this an epidemic in the military due to the legal recourse of using the chain of command NOT WORKING?
     
  25. jcarlilesiu

    jcarlilesiu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What does the right and left have to do with it?

    Are you proclaiming that the left doesn't view the military as honorable, and that only the right understands the need?

    No sir. You are the one out of touch with reality, and your views on the military and those people that serve has nothing to do with right or left politics and everything to do with crazy people among us, one of which you fit in with.
     

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