Former commander who oversaw Bin Laden raid asks Trump to revoke his security clearance

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  1. ArmySoldier

    ArmySoldier Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    If someone loses their clearance after leaving the government, then contractors aren't going to pick them up. Do you know how much it costs to reinstate a security clearance (TS and above) for someone who loses them?

    They won't be able to work in the private sector.
     
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    His security clearance should definitely be revoked, as he is a former admiral. Perhaps, deep down, he understands this?? Why would he need security clearance as he is retired??

    When my employment ended, they did not let me keep the key to the front door. It is such a basic principle, I don't see why some are so up in arms about it.
     
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    Um, what if he wants to work in the private sector? What employer is going to pay to reinstate the clearance? Do you know how much that costs?

    Stop trying to argue something you know nothing about. You obviously never worked in the intelligence community.
     
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    I guess when McCaven has committed, like Petraeus, a criminal act, it will give more weight to your argument that he was never a hero.

    Meanwhile...
     
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    Why is this my problem? Or U.S. citizens' problem for that matter?

    That is rude, as this is an opinion forum. As far as I know, I do not have to work for the intelligence community to give an opinion. Please do not ever again comment on any issue, if you are not considered an expert on that.
     
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    I remember saying at the time, that there were concerning issues about how the documents that Feinstein had acquired were acquired, since I believe that it did turn out that they were obtained illegally,. In any event, that comment was misconstrued by the liberal folk who, at the time, were pretty angry that mr Brennan had cause for his removal. And while I did not create an opinion at the time about that specifically, I was of the same opinion. Mr Brennan has continued to be a problem for our nation. He has both over reached, and overplayed his "service" card. His association with both the execution of and the management of the drone executions ordered by Obama alone should have led to his arrest and prosecution. Having his clearance removed just now, to me, is only a first step.
     
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    FYI, liberals ran the full page ad in the New York Times attacking General Petraeus five years before the classified information scandal.

    Too funny......
     
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    Good God.. Did you ever serve in the military?
     
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    Do you support his management of the drone executions of American citizens abroad?
     
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    Your opinion is completely wrong, because you can't just lose a clearance once you leave the Government. No company can sustain paying for every employee to retain a new clearance. You'd kill the private sector of intelligence.

    That will NEVER happen.

    I'm not being "rude". I'm telling you that your ignorance just means you don't understand what is involved with clearances.
     
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    Anwar al-Awlaki took his teen aged son to Yemen.. Do you get that?

    al Awlaki was a Yemeni-American preacher, and imam. U.S. government officials allege that, in his position as a senior recruiter and motivator, he was centrally involved in planning terrorist operations for the Islamist militant group al-Qaeda.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki

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    Don't forget lying to Congress. But it's almost expected of a head of a US intelligence agency. Brennan did not disappoint.

    https://thefreethoughtproject.com/video-cia-director-throws-tantrum-senator-catches-lying/
     
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    What on earth are you yapping at here?
     
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    Totally agree, but I have some expectation that his testimony was also know, at the time, to be false and was probably agreed to before hand that he would say what he did. I think the honest truth here was that no one ever expected the disclosures Snowden and now others have made to ever come out. But yes, lying to congress certainly is something to tack on.
     
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    In actuality, Trump should order him back to active duty and file charges for disrespecting the Commander in Chief. See, what most don't know is this can be done and then bust that man to private and pull his retirement. Nobody is above the law! Even in retirement, he cannot publicly disrespect the CiC.

    Retired members of a regular component of the Armed Forces who are entitled to pay are subject to the provisions of the UCMJ . . . and may be tried by court-martial for violations of the UCMJ that occurred while they were on active duty or while in a retired status.”
     
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    Then they should have to reapply.
     
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    Do you know how expensive that is? You're costing the government hundreds of thousands for one person- and then the Contract has to waiver it.

    That's why you don't just "lose a clearance" when you leave. That's billions of dollars you're wanting to throw away, and then you'd have to redo every investigation for every person!

    Where are you going to get the money and man power for that?
     
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    I think no one is arguing that losing clearance automatically is how it does work, but how it should work. Another example, when I quit my previous job, I may have had some "trade secrets" in my brain, but no one offered to keep me in the loop so I could find another job using those. In fact, they didn't really consider it their problem how, or even if, I found another job. However, you are absolutely right in saying that that policy is most likely not going to change.

    I think (and I'm not an expert, as you have exposed) that the president does have the privilege of revoking anyone's security clearance that he wants to. But it most likely wouldn't happen as long as they don't go to work for news agencies or otherwise use their insider information in ways that could damage the country.
     
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    Haha. Nevermind. It's no use arguing this with someone who doesn't understand how clearances work. It's not like signing an NDA or handing over keys...

    I suggest contacting your local OPM rep and asking them the process. Or feel free to message me.

    I don't want to expose any more of your ignorance on this thread.
     
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    This post is the very difference between the people who claim to know how the government works and actually knowing it. Well done.
     
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    Done

    And dont let the door hit you in the ass on your way out admiral
     
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    So libs where right.
     
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    I support the idea that a hero is a hero, regardless of his political allegiance.

    But I can understand this concept being unfamiliar to you.
     
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    Nice dodge. Evidently, this perhaps also then means that you do support his management of the Drone assassination programs while at JSOC? Your call....
     
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    Then why should any service person ever care about protecting our democracy in the future if their status can be reversed to little more than henchmen or has-beens on the whim of the "Great Leader"?
     

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