Former Gitmo Prisoner To Receive Million$ From Canadian Govt

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  1. Ron Mars

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    Wow ... that's some story.

    The reality of who was sent to GTMO and why is a very different story from the one you describe.
     
  2. Ron Mars

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    He didn't need any more money to shut the place down ... if he was serious he would have ordered it closed as CIC of the armed forces on X date ... all he did was sign an EO he never intended to enforce because he already knew there was no place to send the inmates.

    It was just one of the many times he scammed his supporters ... it's known as being Grubered.

    Conservatives object because unless the inmates are being transferred to a nation that intends to keep them locked up, the chance they will return to the battlefield is far too great.

    These aren't innocent bakers and farmers who were caught up and sent to GTMO by mistake or without reason.

    Everyone sent to GTMO had a military hearing to determine who they were and the facts and circumstances of their capture. Once their status as a combatant had been established, according to the rules and guidelines of the Geneva Convention, they do not have a right to a trial.

    The GC states that captured combatants are to be detained until the end of hostilities. Last time I checked jihadis are still running around killing people.
     
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    Well first of all,... soldiers shot at him, he threw a grenade back. Seems a totally fair fight. Mind you, those soldiers murdered more than he did. And secondly, if he murdered somebody than it's not legal to torture him for well over a decade with no trail.
     
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    source that
     
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    My post concert who was sent FROM GTMO.
     
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    You must be confused as you just got done describing your kind. The leftness. Its your kind that needs others to go and fight for you.

    If the right don't have the balls.....then clearly the left doesn't even have the brain capacity to even know how to go after Jihadist training camps.

    Moreover if the Right here in the US did go after those camps in the US. Your kind would file so many lawsuits they could stock a library. The leftness whines and cries would be endless. At least now there are times that the left can be forced to shut the **** up.
     
  7. Ron Mars

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    My ... you do spin quite a tale don't you.
     
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    www.google.com ... amazing what you can find if you simply look into it.
     
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    Your opinion is based upon a false assumption ... that innocent people were sent to GTMO.
     
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    Innocent until proven guilty. And I can't say there have been many court cases. And no doubt them confession made, were done under pressure of prolonged torture with the grim future that they would go on if you did not confess.

    People in North Korea get a trial more fair than that. Come on! lol
     
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    Of what were they guilty? Please, tell us.
    I know the US is guilty of torturing people...
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    While ‘assigned’ to the US military base at Guantánamo Bay, longtime Chicago detective and US Naval reservist Richard Zuley led one of the most brutal interrogations ever conducted at the prison. “I’ve never seen anyone stoop to these levels,” a former Marine Corps prosecutor said.
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    When Zuley took over the Slahi interrogation in 2003 – his name has gone widely unreported – he designed a plan so brutal it received personal sign-off from then-US defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

    Read article here:

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/feb/18/guantanamo-torture-chicago-police-brutality
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    Seems like the US has more than one "Zuley" in its population!!
     
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    What are American soldiers"?? Protectors of these United States

    Look. This guy was 15-16 at the time, threw a grenade, and killed a serviceman, now may get big $$$$, it's BS , and a slap in the face of the serviceman, sends the wrong signal. It's indicating let's kill more servicemen/women, extort $$$ from current govts!!!! BS I say.
     
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    I am the father of 4 adult children. I know quite a bit about adolescent psychology and it is VERY easy to indocrinate children, especially if one creates the appropriate environment from the get go. Examine any orthodox religious household anywhere on the planet. Its a human culture thing.



    I guess if you wish to measure the value of 15 years of one's life (especially the formative yearsto adulthood of that life) by your own standards perhaps a few thousand is more than sufficient.

    The majority of the award money will go to his lawyers some of whom have been working on his case pro bono for more than a decade.
     
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    It's a convention of warfare in the West that you don't kill medics or Red Cross workers.
     
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    Torture for ten years? I doubt it. People tortured like that tend to die, as Winebier did.
     
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    It is more than many of our workers get paid for doing difficult, grueling, physically uncomfortable work all day for that period of time. He was fed, clothed, and housed for free until he grew up, after being abandoned by a failed political philosophy and his own radical family. He would be dead now if the Canadians had not outed him.

    To give up that amount of money on SJW philosophical grounds from the funds of ordinary taxpayers is an affront to every hard physical laborer in the West, or for that matter anywhere on the planet. It is an effete flight of fancy by an entitled elite that has no understanding of how difficult the real world is for everybody but themselves, in or out of prison. If our elites want to take such flights of fantasy they need to set up a private fund and do it with their own money. I am certain there is at least one unsuccessful scion of the Canadian elite that still needs a sinecure running a nonproductive charity.
     
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    Even more reason to have not awarded this outrageous and offensive sum. it is high time extortionate litigation like this stop being rewarded.
     
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    Why doubt that? He got tortured for months before ever setting foot in gitmo.
     
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    Look, your service man was an American and never spent a day in a torture camp. That his government betrayed him by sending him into an illegal war where he unfortunately got killed, is not Canada's fault. For that his widow should sue Washington!!
    But... it is Canada's fault that they let a Canadian child rot for over ten years in an American torture facility!!! And that is where the crux of the matter lies.
    How often do we have to repeat that fact for you??

    Do you remember some years ago, when Canadian Maher Arar was stopped and detained in New York by the Americans for no reason at all. Before he knew it, he was on his way to Syria to be interrogated and tortured.
    For a whole year he suffered in a hell hole, completely innocent, before he was let go.
    He sued the Canadian Government, and they paid him 10 Million.

    Read about it here:
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/maher...e-almost-stopped-by-cia-ex-spy-says-1.3021759
     
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    And how could Omar have seen that in the dark, IF he even did throw a grenade? He, the whole compound, was under attack and he was already wounded, his father got killed.
     
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    The interrogation was too impolite, eh.
     
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    If he was a Canadian citizen, he had a safe place to be. IMO the fault rests with whoever placed him into combat, not Canada or the US.
     
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    Obviously not much loss there.
     
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    If I remember correct, it was his father who took him along to Afghanistan. That fact still doesn't allow the Canadian Government to abandon him later and let him stay in the hands of torturers.
    You really seem to dislike, if not outright hate, Omar Khadr. That is too bad, and I am disappointed in you. Perhaps you are still a young brat yourself! :wink:
     
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    No...I hate the entitled people who are willing to waste hard earned taxpayer resources on such a situation. The circumstances were not created by them, and IMO the settlement is probably to protect someone "important" to the elite.
     

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