Founding Fathers under attack: Students demand Thomas Jefferson statue removal

I strongly believe that most university and colleges should greatly cut their social study programs and concentrate on programs that leads to someone holding an actual job once they get their diploma. Or better yet, remove public funding or student loans for those program as to eliminate the possibility of going into debt for studying in a program that leads nowhere.

 

I agree, those classes should at least not qualify for the student loan program

see that is something both parties can agree on, that is something Congress could take up during this lame duck Trump Presidency if they wanted - both parties wont though

Trump is a "I win, you lose" kinda guy, he does not believe in the "win\win" scenario were both parties can claim a win - would be nice if I was wrong though, but I doubt it

 

That's the spirit of freedom: do what you want with your money or even your lifetime. Some graduates make big careers and others work at the diner ...

Who cares, if they feel comfortable with that?

 

agree, but they need help at that young age understanding the consequences of their decisions and something school admissions are upselling rather then counseling for the best choices

 

Drug dealers come to mind.

 

So much an advocate that he continued to own people and deny them freedom his entire life.

 

Jefferson was a child of his time. I think blacks were seen as subhumans in the 18th century.

 

So everyone in Jefferson's time owned slaves?

 

Only the rich.

 

No but the vast majority of european descent during that time period considered blacks inferior to white.

 

But why there weren't black slaves in Europe at that time?

 

There was some.

Slavery was first abolished by the French Republic in 1794, but Napoleon revoked that decree in 1802. In 1815, the Republic abolished the slave trade but the decree did not come into effect until 1826. France re-abolished slavery in her colonies in 1848 with a general and unconditional emancipation.

So there was european owned slaves at the time.

 

Every rich person in Jefferson's day owned slaves?

 

And? Did they all believe that black people should be enslaved and denied their freedom as Jefferson's actions prove he did?

 

Many did as I posted earlier it even was a national policy for them.

 

Only those rich who had work for slaves.

 

https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-slavery/chronology-who-banned-slavery-when-idUSL1561464920070322

PLenty still had slavery on the books during Jefferson's timeline.
It was on the decline but there was still slavery.

 

And no one involved in agriculture had free laborers?

 

How long before the Washington monument has to come down? And Mount Rushmore?

Why are we scared of these punks that want to destroy history? Just kick their asses at the next protest.

 

Jefferson did own slave. There is no denying that. If fact, he owned over 600 slaves in his lifetime.

However, just about every large landowners in those times (if not all), that made their living from crops, owned slaves. Even though he did own slaves, he was anti-slavery and is considered a benevolent slave-owner. Freeing his slaves was not an option, unless he desired personal ruin. Not saying he was in-the-right when evaluating his life with today's standards, however, judging him on today's standards instead of the standards of those days is inequitable.

It is interesting how the large agricultural land-owners depended on slaves....kind of like today's large agricultural land-owners rely on illegal immigrants. Is supporting illegal immigration today similar to supporting slavery of the 1700's-1800's?

 

Although there were only a few slaves in Europe, for Europeans, blacks were considered inferior.

 

His post was true.

 

Republicans don't actually care about Thomas Jefferson.

They just claim to care because they think it makes them sound patriotic and traditional.

But if you look at how Republicans behave, you'll see their actions are diametrically opposed to the philosophy of Jefferson.

 

In another thread, you were telling me that the foreign policy ideology of the founders was no longer relevant.

As far as I can tell, you're not the least bit interesting in conserving American traditions.

 

Go read your own comments, I know what you said and how you intentionally construed them. Too bad, this could have been a decent discussion o foreign policy if you weren't so filled with hatred towards the current Administration.