Founding Fathers under attack: Students demand Thomas Jefferson statue removal

The land based education system is a massive, obsolete broken boondoggle.

 

Not sure what you mean by "land based". Are you referring to the public universities that were granted land as part of the promotion of higher education? Are you referring to the fact that most public schools are dependent on local property taxes for their funding? Or are you referring to the fact that most kids have to attend the school that is closest to them physically?

 

Slavery in America wasn't conceived, initiated or maintained by "socialists" of any kind. The Armenian genocide in Turkey in the early 20th Century wasn't caused by "socialists," but Muslims. The Native American genocides of the 17th-19th centuries weren't committed by "socialists." Yes, there have been extremist socialist crimes against humanity, just as there have been extremist crimes against humanity committed by many other groups. But since WWII, socialism has taken on a new face--a distinctly more democratic one--and it's both unfair & inaccurate to judge the new "Democratic Socialists" of today by the failures of the fanatical extremists of the past--just as it is unfair & inaccurate to judge all Americans today on the many crimes against humanity perpetrated on blacks & Native Americans by our American ancestors. Laying blame on others is easy but non-productive, unless it leads to actions that make the world a better, more tolerant place.

 

Big Bad Government is the hallmark of socialist government. The Young Turks were secular socialists. This is the result:

"… from 1900 to 1987 governments MURDERED almost *170* MILLION people ... far exceeds the 34.4 million battle deaths ... from all...wars fought during the same period.... democratic governments were responsible for only about one percent of the twentieth century's death toll from democide...." The Atlantic Monthly, "The World In Numbers," "Murder By The State," Vol. 292 NO. #4, 11/20. (emphasis mine)
The Atlantic's source: "Rummels books on the subject - particularly "Death By Government" (1994) and "Statistics of Democide" (1997).

 

If your message here is that democratic governments are the best kind, I agree completely. But if you're saying ALL SOCIALIST governments are murderous, I disagree. There is a fairly recent combination of democratic & socialist forms of government that offers the best of each interwoven together without the nasty parts you refer to in your post. Democratic Socialism is a very positive form of government that honors & supports democratic rights while offering programs to help those who need it. I'm not pretending Democratic Socialism can't be abused by dishonest or self-serving leaders--any government can. But the core premise of Democratic Socialism is to honor the value, rights & welfare of all human beings. So far, the record for Democratic Socialist governments already functioning is quite good.

 

Most Socialist government have not launched mass liquidation campaigns, but every government that operates without an extensive effective system of check and balances is very dangerous.

"Those who are big on multiculturalism might note that the great majority of our victims were nonwhite. ...Reflecting on moral responsibility. I have referred to 'we'. For it has never occurred to me that the moral responsibility falls much less heavily on those of us on the American left than it fell on Comrade Stalin and those who replicated his feats in one country after another.

....And I am afraid that some of the responsibility falls on the 'democratic socialists,' 'radical democrats', and other left wingers who endlessly denounce Stalinism but could usually be counted on to support - 'critically,' of course - the essentials of our political line on world and national affairs....

For that matter how could we have survived politically were it not for the countless liberals who, to one extent or another, supported us, apparently under the comforting delusion that we were social reformers in rather too much of a hurry - a delusion we ourselves never suffered from." Eugene D. Genovese, "The Crimes of Communism: What did you know, and when did you know it?" "Dissent" Summer, 1994.

 

Thomas Jefferson Must Stand


Those who want to topple the great, but imperfect, man feel the same way about his country.

They’re coming for Thomas Jefferson.

This was always obvious, but now it’s even more plain. Protesters in Portland, Ore., used axes and ropes to topple a statue of President Thomas Jefferson. The New York City Council is agitating to remove a statue of the author of the Declaration of Independence from its chambers.

At this rate, the Sage of Monticello will be lucky if the Jefferson Memorial isn’t bulldozed and if he isn’t effaced from the nickel.

Jefferson is, to use the argot of the day, the most “problematic” of the Founders. The Virginian was a slave owner who, despite his high ideals, never jettisoned an attachment to the slave system that was a hideous injustice and, in the fullness of time, nearly destroyed the country.

But that’s not what we honor him for.

Jefferson is on a pedestal for achievements that still define the country today, and for the better.

He wrote the ringing lines in the preamble of the Declaration that eventually took on world-historical importance and were used as a rhetorical and philosophical cudgel against the slave system and white supremacy by the likes of Abraham Lincoln and Martin Luther King.

He was a theorist, champion, and able practitioner of what we know as Jeffersonian democracy, “government of the people, by the people, for the people,” as Lincoln famously put it at Gettysburg.

The woke philistines who are targeting him are incapable of thought or discernment and want to jettison much of the country’s heritage. They indict not just Jefferson, but the America he helped define.

They're coming for Jefferson, but who they are really after, is us.

 

The quote from Martin Niemöller never rang more true today than ever before (least WWII)

First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out— because I was not a trade unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

 

And this from the bloody WWI era:

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.
~ WILLIAM BUTLER YEATS​

Our center will hold.

 

Do we even have a center today? The violent pursuit of goals is all left wing and the evil murderous right says "you better watch that ****" and watches. The center just goes along to get along.

 

Jefferson will always speak for the center of America.

“I will now add what I do not like. First, the omission of a bill of rights, providing clearly, and without the aid of sophism, for freedom of religion, freedom of the press, protection against standing armies, restriction of monopolies, the eternal and unremitting force of the habeas corpus laws, and trials by jury, in all matters of fact triable by the law of the land, and not by the laws of nations.”
THOMAS JEFFERSON, Thomas Jefferson, Letter to James Madison, 1787
http://www.loc.gov/teachers/classroommaterials/connections/thomas-jefferson/file.html

 

White wash history, or call it equal, when you know every single one of those "liberally" mentally ill punks, who reject only all lives matter in favor of only black lives matter, on the whim of the mentally ill illogic, would have been "liberals" in history open minded to starting tyranny, terrorism, piracy, slavery, Secession (see autonomous zones) and hating any government of many States that can be amended (needs no tyranny) or might keep them from looting, burning, and attacking innocent people or historical people for their new "normal" of morality.

No, don't think so.

 

That's why Washington was opposed to political parties. And he was so right. People today vote merely on the (D) and the (R) behind a persons name, regardless of their position. I honestly wish we could dissolve political parties and you vote on the merit, character and platform and stop this dam political affiliations. We surely would allot more things accomplished versus this continued tit for tat mentality.

“However [political parties] may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.”

 

We all read this and see it fitting the party we oppose. the problem I see isn't that our country will be forever changed but that it already is. What we see on the streets is one face of the revolution and nobody is stopping it. There is nothing new about any of it, I remember Nikita saying they would bury us and through our education system they have. This country is already lost because there is no media resistance to what has taken place.

 

Yup. They just aren't as mouthy, but they sure vote!

 

I hope, someday in our future, we realize collectively how wrong killing babies in the womb is. And when its finally outlawed all of these liberals realize how ridiculous it is to smear their names and call them traitors for supporting something legal at the time.

 

I think we need to call the generation after the Millennials, the "Cancel Generation". They have no grasp of history and of complex it was. They are truly stupid children. Thank you Public Schools and **** colleges for trashing these kids' minds. It's almost as if it was on purpose?

 

DON’T KNOW MUCH ABOUT HISTORY: Thomas Jefferson ‘Didn’t Do Anything to Help Create a Free and Equal Society,’ Descendant Says.

During his magnificent Fourth of July speech at Mount Rushmore, President Donald Trump delivered a snapshot of Thomas Jefferson’s marvelous accomplishments for American freedom.

“The great Thomas Jefferson was 33 years old when he traveled north to Pennsylvania and brilliantly authored one of the greatest treasures of human history, the Declaration of Independence,” Trump said. He also mentioned Jefferson’s work helping to author the Virginia Constitution and Jefferson’s authorship of the Virginia Statute of Religious Freedom, a model for the First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution.​

As president, Jefferson also “ordered American warriors to crush Barbary pirates, he doubled the size of our nation with the Louisiana Purchase, and he sent the famous explorers Louis and Clark.”

The author of the Declaration of Independence, the Virginia Statute on Religious Freedom, and the man who signed the Louisiana Purchase also happened to found the University of Virginia. Trump fittingly dubbed Jefferson, “the author of American freedom.”

 

Boondoogle is a word that's just not used enough these days.

 

Maybe bricks are racist?

I dunno, it's possible, everything else is these days.

 

Tend to agree.

Arent they going after the play "Hamilton " as of this past weekend as well?

I heard a blurb on the radio, but I had to get out of the car for work so I missed the details.

 

president trump was spot on with his prediction of how these leftwing terrorist would go after washington and jefferson.

 

Funding and managing the education system federally rather than locally has taken choice out of the hands of parents and handed it to bureaucrats. We wind up with a cookie cutter effect, all kids taught to think the same and what history they actually learn fits the current craze or govt need. This system is giving us what we are seeing today so what will the next generation, the one these kids educate, bring us?

 

Boondoggle describes almost every government program now. Alas.

 

the tide pod generation will be the new welfare queens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Welfare_queen