FOX: Finland and Sweden joining NATO won't make U.S. safer

Turks want $$$ and hardware....they will eventually cave in.

 

Is it 'pro-russian' to not want to foot the bill to defend more nations with our military? Is it 'pro-russian' to expect other countries to use their own money for their own defense instead of using our money for their own defense?

We cant afford gasoline or baby formula. We dont need two more countries begging for US military bases because they spent all their money on the social programs that they criticise us for not having while we protect them with our military that they criticise us for keeping too large...

 

What do you mean by footing the bill?

Doing things which benefit no one but Russia is pro-Russia.

Begging for US bases.......sounds like you have been inhaling too much Russian propaganda.

 

Trump is Putin's protege. Trump has actually said he approves of how Putin runs his country and oppresses his people. They've been butt buddies from the beginning.

Conservative leaders think that Trump will turn them into Oligarchs. They're fascists and they're authoritarians, they LOVE oppressing the people

FFS the very first thing Comrade Trump did was turn off the cameras so he could have a totally non-witnessed meeting with Russia's spymaster. We still don't know how many of our deep-cover people he KILLED that way, but I'll wager our intelligence network in Russia will NEVER recover. (For these outright murders of our most loyal and daring servants alone Trump deserves a grisly death and I just cannot understand how "patriotic" conservatives are alright with this unless they're now the Russophile "Fifth Column" they've always accused liberals of being)

 

These NATO countries are not spending their fair share on defense (cnn.com)
We don't need more defense dependents.

Is it 'pro-russian' to expect other countries to use their own money for their own defense instead of using our money for their own defense?

We cant afford gasoline or baby formula. We dont need two more countries begging for US military bases because they spent all their money on the social programs that they criticise us for not having while we protect them with our military that they criticise us for keeping too large...

 

Clearly you have no idea how NATO works, or is funded. US does not pay for other countries. They pay for theirs and we pay for ours.

Again, you don't have the faintest clue what you are talking about. Put the RT and Pravda down and educate yourself.

 

Sounds like you don't either. But feel free to explain how adding two more countries to an alliance largely dependent on the US's over-bloated defense budget for their protection isn't going to further over-bloat our defense budget and necessarily take that increase of defense resources from other sectors that are already starved for resources.

Are Finland and Sweden planning to reallocate their some of the funding from their much-lauded social programs to their military to compensate for the increased threat russia poses? If not, then they're just looking for someone else to do it for them. We can't afford what we're already spending on defense, much less spending more.

 

Read what I said, and stop regurgitating old Soviet talking points. US Does not pay for other countries, We pay for our defense and they pay for theirs. Period. Finland already agreed to buy 60 F35 fighters, so its Finnish money coming to US, not vice versa. A stronger NATO requires US to spend less, but the truth is that we spend what we spend because we want to. Without NATO we'd be spending a heck of lot more, not less.

 

The F35's are going to REPLACE their ageing F/A-18 Hornets. Finland has increased its military spending since Russia's invasion from less than 1% of the their GDP to about 1.5% of their GDP. Sweden has increased their defense budget to about 1% of their GDP. NATO members are required to spend 2% of their GDP on their defense ...and most of them fail to do that even now. We're looking to add two more to the list of NATO countries that don't contribute. So is NATO just going to be underfunded, or is the US going to pick up the slack?

I think we all already know the answer...

 

Either you don't read posts, or you just can't comprehend what you read.

For the 3rd time: US does NOT pay for other countries defense. We pay for ours and they pay for theirs. No one pays for the difference of some country is 0.5% short.

Educate yourself.

Thanks for stopping by to prove that there are pro-Trump / pro-Russia people who oppose stronger NATO.

 

I'd like to hear more about this at some stage, somewhere.

 

Lets see if we can detour around your obtusion here...

Would you at least agree that prospective NATO members be required to meet the minimum 2% defense budget for membership? And if not, what do you suppose is the purpose of the requirement, and would you support admitting nations with NO defense budget at all?

 

The war machine lobby is intertwined with US politicians and the entire governmental system. Those two countries won't make any difference to it, absolutely none. In addition, their admission ads to global security influenced by America. That's a good thing as the US government remains a democratically influenced republic with the constitution applying to ALL it's citizens.

 

Its not me who is obtuse here. You proved your lack of knowledge by your posts.

 

Who is this we that can't afford gas, or baby food?

Everyone's been showing up to work, and there have been no statistical increases on baby deaths due to starvation..I think you are only speaking of you're circle which seem to be lazy Trump supporters who blame their problems on government.

 

You're being deliberately ignorant by ignoring, deleting and refusing to address the topic.

Would you at least agree that prospective NATO members be required to meet the minimum 2% defense budget for membership? And if not, what do you suppose is the purpose of the requirement, and would you support admitting nations with NO defense budget at all?

 

Are you really quibbling with my choice of words clearly meant to represent the increasing inflation and supply chain issues, or are you suggesting inflation and supply chain issues are not a problem right now?

 

The **** if we don't. Do you think the mighty military of Montenegro is protecting the EU?????????????????

 

Which is a farce. If Ukraine was in NATO, their contribution would amount to about $20 bucks.

 

I addressed your fake claims about US paying for the difference. It doesn't work that way. Then you changed your argument. Yes, 2% is the goal which each member has said they will work towards, but if someone is short, it doesn't mean someone else will pay for the difference. Besides, some things are more valuable than 2% in money, like a pledge to maintain mandatory military service for all males. like Finland is saying, which adds 900 000 men to NATO fighting force. That's 30% of entire NATO man power.

 

There's only 5.5 million people total in Finland

 

, yup , coming from the "expert" here. If ....and when Ukraine is in NATO....the contribution will be huge.

Now if Mafiosi was in NATO....which never will be, ....their contribution would be to destroy its entire conventional force...since it's proven to be for absolute $hit in Ukraine.

 

Of course we pay for the difference. If our military strategists decide a NATO member is insufficiently prepared for defense, what then happens? Do we say 'oh well, that sucks' or do we send them 'aid'? ...we sure as hell don't kick them out or make them pay.

 

Im just asking for the stats to back up your claims. Id like to compare them to Nations with real problems like Russia.
Here we pretend like we have problems even when they are minor on a global scale. Other nations like Russia pretends they dont have problems, when they are major.

Trump supporters like to sow FUD (Fear uncertainty and doubt) to make their candidates appear to be for the poor. Unfortunately during times like these its just unpatriotic.

 

If that $20 bucks would have prevented Putins aggression, then it would have been worth it.