FOX: Finland and Sweden joining NATO won't make U.S. safer

The dumbass potato brain in the White House caused every bit of this.....even dating back to 2014.

 

No, we don't pay for the difference, or send aid. In 2012 we told everyone to spend more, and they have increased spending. The only recipient of 'aid' has been the US, which was when Germany paid to house US troops back in the day when we insisted on having 300 000 troops there.

 

Provide the stats for "causing every bit of this" Bill....this should be hilarious.

 

Limit Russia's long-term ambitions by taking more countries off the menu. If it makes the difference in Russia invading or not invading them, it could save the whole world a lot of lives and money, including us, given how the Ukraine thing has gone.

Regardless, them joining NATO is primarily for their own country's security, of course. We could demand that they pay their fair share, I suppose.

 

Uh-huh,you support Russia, and dislike Biden.
Water is wet, news at 11.

 

Why would it matter how our problems stack up against those in other nations? Unless you're trying to make the argument that because our poor are better off than the poor in Venezuela or Ethiopia and so its not really a problem ...which I presume you are not trying to make that silly argument. Then the issue is whats more important to us- our economy (and particularly those most vulnerable to being hurt by it- our poor) or the national defense of Finland and Sweden? Because if they're not going pull their own weight (which is defined as 2% of GDP according to NATO, which neither of them meet or have stated they plan to meet), then either their joining of NATO will make them dependent on NATO for their defense (and makes us necessarily the providers of their defense at our own cost), or current NATO resources will be spread thinner to pick up their slack, weakenning NATO as a whole.

Perhaps in exchange for the ~$10B/year deficit that Sweden and Finland are not planning to contribute to their own defense (and thus the defense of NATO once they become members), instead they could commit to supporting our poor so we can free up those resources to reallocate toward the defense of the two new members.

But we all know that isn't going to happen. Finland and Sweden will continue dumping their GDP into their social programs (which I'm not criticizing btw) instead of their defense, and we'll just increase the defense budget to cover their 'gap' instead of investing more into our own social programs. Thats how it always works. And thats how the MIC makes the most profit...

 

Heh... I guess once we're done fighting Russia down to the last Ukrainian, we can start fighting Russia down to the last Finn.

I wonder when Europe will get tired of being the fodder for our proxy war...

 

Because we are already as safe as can be from Russia. Land invasion from them: Out, Getting any boats close enough to strike: Out, their navy is garbage. More bases armed on that side of the globe ready to take out Russia: In. See Finland and Sweden joining NATO also does not make Russia safer,and that's good.
We arnt even their prime target...they have much bigger problems to deal with without our intervention. How smart is it to involve the US and the rest of NATO when they cant even deal with Ukraine?

 

Frankly, Finland and Sweden and whatever they do and don’t do have nil impact on anything in this world. Do these countries even have a standing army? Lol

 

Here is the aid that we're 'not sending' to our NATO allies. This year its only $11M more than last year...
US earmarks $180M for military assistance to Baltic NATO members (msn.com)

How do you reason out that this doesn't equate to 'paying the difference'?

 

So Biden got them to join NATO? Awesome. Glad i voted for him over Trump who was in the process of disbanding NATO to strengthen Russia.

 

It means Putin is a failure for his country.

 

Because of the thread topic. Internationally, you are just out of touch. The whole point, is so they can spend money on their social programs. Russia is the only reason any of us need such a large defense budget. They wont quit trying to land grab.

 

I think it was probably Russia that got them to join NATO...

In any case, I assume your support here means you won't be complaining about how we spend too much money on defense or how our social programs arent as good as the ones in Scandinavia.

 

Are their social programs more important than ours?

 

As long as Putin is a thing, we are going to have a large defense budget.

 

To them, yes.
For us, it is defense spending.

 

Uh, yeah, that was the point of my question.

 

Well thats kinda the point. Many (including me) would like to spend less on defense and more on things that actually benefit us. But not you, correct?

 

You would like to cut defense spending??
Color me surprised. Must be because its not benefiting your candidate at the moment.

We have been singing that tune for a while, and you are just now catching on?

Maybe if everyone had done it sooner this wouldn't be a thing. But let me know when you would ever disarm first in a hostile situation with Russia.

 

Suckers are born every day. The military industrial complex is very thankful for that.

 

You sure like jumping to presumptions, dont you?

If by 'cut' you mean reduce, then yes, absolutely. I have long opposed our global military empire, and still do. Thus my continued opposition to it now. And that in no way equates to 'disarming' in a hostile situation with Russia. Its possible to be militarily strong without being militarily provacative. Though NATO is historically unable to achieve that simple balance...

But it kinda seems like you're trying to dodge the question: do you support reducing the defense budget?

 

Yes. But what i support even more, is efficient spending, even if that means a temporary increase, for the over all long term of being able to reduce it permanently. In this case incentivizing NATO membership. Which Biden has handled swimmingly.

 

lol... our military spending has always been increased under the auspices of achieving some victory or peace that will reduce the need for it later. Yet strangely (with much sarcasm!) it never happens...

 

I agree that the U.S. should withdraw from NATO. It really is none of our business.