Gaza death toll over 1,000 - Israeli toll up to 42

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  1. Professor Peabody

    Professor Peabody Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Might I remind you that Palestine was part of British Imperialism/Colonialism till after WWII when they disengaged from the area causing the territory to be split up in the first place. So if you're looking for the root cause one needs look no further than the Brits.
     
  2. snakestretcher

    snakestretcher Banned

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    There is nowhere in Gaza which is not in harm's way. One and a half million people crammed into 150 square miles behind walls on one side and the ocean on the other...
     
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    The victim of propaganda is clearly you.
     
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    So what? That's about as relevant to what is happening now as a certain poster here constantly referring to ancient archaeology as evidence that all the land belongs to Israel! There is a 'root cause' to every dispute in history and nobody wins the retrospective blame game. There's a considerable cohort of Irish nationalist Catholics who still blame England for Oliver Cromwell...that was 1649. Hindsight is always 20:20...
     
  5. Professor Peabody

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    If the Brits weren't trying to make the world it's slaves I doubt the territorial conflict we see today in Gaza would exist.
     
  6. snakestretcher

    snakestretcher Banned

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    And if America didn't exploit and bomb the crap out of nations in the Middle East people wouldn't fly aeroplanes into your tall buildings...
    Next history lesson please.
     
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    http://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/apr/19/iraq.arts


    "I do not understand this squeamishness about the use of gas. We have definitely adopted the position at the Peace Conference of arguing in favour of the retention of gas as a permanent method of warfare. It is sheer affectation to lacerate a man with the poisonous fragment of a bursting shell and to boggle at making his eyes water by means of lachrymatory gas. I am strongly in favour of using poisoned gas against uncivilised tribes. The moral effect should be so good that the loss of life should be reduced to a minimum. It is not necessary to use only the most deadly gasses: gasses can be used which cause great inconvenience and would spread a lively terror and yet would leave no serious permanent effects on most of those affected."[1]

    Guess who said that...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_British_use_of_chemical_weapons_in_Mesopotamia_in_1920

    And much more recent...

    http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/26/sprj.irq.brits.attack/index.html?iref=mpstoryview
     
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    Wonderful; and next you'll be telling me that the USA doesn't use torture or 'rendition' to foreign countries so that they can torture America's suspects on your behalf, thus absolving America of all blame.
    Should I refrain from mentioning napalm or Agent Orange? Ok, I will...

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...s-herbicide-sprayed-US-Army-40-years-ago.html

    Whoops!
     
  9. RP12

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    We took the role of world meddlers from you.. No wonder you hate us so much....

    I have always talked about the atrocities the United States has done and since voting age have been trying to vote out the current idiots that want to continue the same path. You on the other hand do nothing but attack this country while trying to NOT talk about the same (*)(*)(*)(*) YOUR country is responsible for. Man up.
     
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    At this point, the hugely uneven death toll makes it pretty obvious who the villian is.

    This is the same thing Isreal did in southern Lebanon a few years ago (then, with the active encouragement of the Bush adminstration).
     
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    Our global wrongdoings are history now, and I certainly haven't shied away from criticising Britain's colonial past and the several atrocities we committed; for instance Amritsar. But, as the current "world meddlers", America leaves itself wide open to condemnation. What do you expect, adulation and gratitude for your democracy bombs?
     
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    Except in that case the IDF took on a far more capable and underestimated opponent in the person of Hezbollah, who proceeded to throw them out of Lebanon.
     
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    Why does Hamas want dead young boys?
     
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    So you assume in an armed confrontation casualties should be equal? Is this how war works these days? It's a prerequisite of war that both sides have to suffer equally as much?
     
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    When your government sets up their rocket cites without regard to the civilians and refuses to live peacefully that is what you get.

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    Says the man in the mirror.
     
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    That's true.

    But the world's collective revulsion over the behavior of the Isrealis played a role. It certainly shamed the Bush adminstration, which had all but openly been egging the Isrealis on hoping to use them to fight a proxy war with Iran.
     
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    Being sarcastic? Whoever kills more is the bad guy=) Israel targets military, with loads of civilians strategically placed of course(its the HAMAS way of war) and Hamas randomly shoots rockets at cities hoping they will kill anyone. Just because Israel is technologically more advanced and shoots most of them down, only means they're smarter.

    The good and bad guys can easily be determined through actions. One side warns who, when and where they're going to strike, since they're forced to defend themselves. The other side shoots indiscriminately. One side abides by cease fires and the other breaks them EVERY TIME. One side wants peace. The other wants EVERY soul who doesn't agree with them, dead. One side is a world power and the only Democratic presence in the ME and contributor to science and medicine. The other straps bombs to women and children and trains them to be terrorist. One side treats all religions fairly. The other only believes in 1 religion and all others must be abolished. One side respects women. The other side...well...its just medieval.

    So which again are the good guys? Hhmmmm?
     
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    The death toll only tells me which side is more effective (or winning). It doesn't tell me anything about which side is in the right. Germany lost an estimated 7 to 9 million (total wwii casualties includes both military and civilian). The US lost 420,000 (0 civilians). I'm sure you think the Nazis are right.
     
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    In other words, you, like Hamas, believe Israel has no right to exist and their destruction, like Hamas, is what you want.
     
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    Margot2, what does that have to do with the point? The point is that the number of casualties does not determine who is right or wrong. If you want to start a thread on the subject of Israel being an occupier then go ahead. That claim is highly debatable at the very least.
     
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    You are pathetic when you put words in the mouths of others.

    IMO.. Hamas works for Israel.

    How do you justify the continued theft of land .. and the killing of those who resist? Is that about your religion.. or just your principles?

    The OT says NOT to move boundary stones...
     

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