Gen. Lee statue can be removed, Virginia Supreme Court rules

We would be wrong, technically speaking. The Brits were doing the same thing that Abraham Lincoln was doing in the 1860s.

 

That reminds me...

There is a famous photo taken at Stalin's 1945 red army victory parade of Stalin's red army troops bowing Hitler's military standards before Lenin's tomb, then tossing them before it.




Rather ironic because Stalin died in 1953. Afterwards, a long period of "de-Stalinization" happened when symbols honoring Stalin were removed. Rumor is... both Lenin and Stalin were poisoned.

As for Hitler's standards... they are in a Russian museum.

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Where were the white supremacist, to stop this removal of this statue?!! Like in Charlottesville?!! That statue was removed too!

The City of Charlottesville, Virginia, has removed two statues glorifying Confederate generals, including the statue of Robert E. Lee that sparked a deadly white supremacist rally nearly four years ago. The removals were well overdue, Zyahna Bryant told the Washington.

Buy the time this over the only thing confederate left, will be cemeteries?!!

 

We were fighting for independence, not to overthrow the British government. Lincoln fought a civil war. Entirely different.

 

In the future no one will know those graves are Confederates.

A few years ago a group complained about the swastika on the gravestones of German POWs who died and were buried in the USA... so recently those swastikas were removed... and only the name and date remain.

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Southern states seceded from the USA and created their own country, the CSA.

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Yes, the US Civil War. I already said that.

 

The 13 colonies belonged to England and Texas belonged to Mexico. But Americans don't call those wars for independence a "civil war"

The only thing that differs is the CSA lost. And as usual the winners of the war get to write the history.

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Your error is in conflating colonies with states. Who wins a civil war is irrelevant to it being a civil war. Vietnam was a civil war. So was Korea. Two entirely different outcomes. Ours was a civil war.

Wars for independence are also entirely different. Civil wars pit countryman against countryman. Wars for independence pit countrymen against an occupying force.

 

The winners write history.

 

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Robert E Lee's statue that was erected in 1890 was cut in pieces per AP news report linked below.

https://apnews.com/article/robert-e-lee-statue-virginia-removed-92955a351d9fda6319f379ddc28df8a0

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And if Texas decided it wanted Independence today, that would be okay, right? Or if the South said we are going to form the, wait for it, Confederate States of America, that would be okay, right? I mean, I personally believe our federal government fails the people more and more every single day. Elected officials service today is about power and money and has nothing to do with the people that elected these idiots.

Just fighting for Independence before there is no Independence, right! None of that would be insurrection, right?

If you can't answer yes to all that I asked then you proved my point on both the revolutionary war side and the civil war side.

 

What if we don’t need statutes of George Floyd or bigots who led armies to keep blacks in chains?

 

Conservatives are just plain ridiculous on this topic. If you were a black person, I guarantee you would resent the celebration (on the public dime) of a person who led an army to keep blacks in chains.

 

as long as you all take half the debt with you...

 

I was born on Monument Ave. in a hospital room overlooking the J.E.B Stuart monument and lived in two locations on Monument Ave and one of them had an excellent view of the R.E. Lee monument.
Additionally, I have been to countless festivals, parades, races, block parties and art shows on Monument Ave. for at least 50 years.

Because of this exposure, I am intimately familiar with the quality of the statues themselves that at least rival any I saw in Europe or elsewhere.

I find their removal and destruction an inexcusable waste of time and money appease the selectively offended and chronically outraged mob of intolerant vandals and hate filled racists who will not rest until the last statue depicting any White male is destroyed.

The same American Taliban who thinks nothing of wasting $ Millions destroying statues of men far more honorable than themselves will be the first to complain about underfunded schools and badly needed mental health services but they have had their victory as what was formerly a jewel of the city is now more aptly named Pedestal Row.

 

If I may. What perhaps should govern the discussion of this issue (like virtually all others) is intent (or situation) and context. Applying these two criteria to the question of southern civil war memorials the issue really becomes one of why (or perhaps where) and exactly when those statues were raised.

A statue or monument located for instance at a civil war cemetery with the historically confirmed and hence honest intention of honoring confederate war dead that was erected shortly after the war ended for instance might (and I do stress might) be legitimate given similar monuments have raised across the world to honor the dead of various military conflicts. It has context which, IMO lends it some degree of historical legitimacy for want of a better word.

Likewise a statue or monument erected over the tomb of a famous civil confederate general at or shortly after his death which simply lists his military accomplishments? This might might (again I do say might) have historical significance - depending on the intent and context that lead to its erection at the time of his death.

The vast number of southern civil war 'monuments' erected decades after the war ended for example during the 'Jim Crow' years? They simply don't have those kind of claims to historical legitimacy. However it also follows that amongst the vast majority of such monuments scattered around the Southern States there may be well some small number that do have some claim to historical legitimacy.

The hard part is trying to separate the very few grains that exist (assuming they exist at all and frankly I don't know since I'm not an expert on the subject) from vast amount of chaff.

 

If it's massive statue on a massive pedestal on a nice square is good enough for a traitor to the nation, and a supporter for enslaving black people for being black... then why not? George Floyd aint no saint, but Lee was FAR worse... but white.

 

Only thing left?
You think the US is ever going to forget the historic fact that 100,000's of white nationalists fought a war against the US to keep black people enslaved for being black?
The only thing that might escapes peoples minds is that this Lee was at the head of that white nationalistic movement. So what.


Personally I think there should be a statue in that place where the US crushed those white nationalists and freed the slaves.

 

I like the idea, except for the Floyd part.
As we destroy the physical reminders of why we should be sympathetic toward slave decedents, we are on the path of eliminating black history entirely. Today, what passes for black history is grudge making.
No teacher dare say that the industry of black tribes in Africa capturing and selling their brothers was the custom of the day and without the introduction of America onto the world stage would probably still be going on today.
No teacher would dare say to these decedents that they were actually lucky they landed here rather than left in the squalor of Africa. In America, 85% have become Mr and Mrs Latte’, and work to put food on the table just like everyone else.

BTW, slavery and the south and the war was much more complicated than you can imagine. Slavery was today’s abortion issue.

 

Smh.

Whatever you want to post is okay with me. I'm happy for you and your point.

 

Did shaking your head help any? I was making a point to another post and nothing more. Sometimes you have to examine the context before jumping to your incorrect conclusion.

 

I'm not looking for help. Take your own advice.

 

We should preserve our history, not erase it. Those who erase their history are doomed to repeat it.

 

Sure thing, right after you!