Germany set to send Leopard 2 tanks to Ukraine, Der Spiegel reports

And just what is the real story regarding the Nazi invasion of the SU?

 

You probably have a rewrite of the Holocaust too.

 

What's the SU?

By the way, let's also not forget that the Nazis were similarly lied to by their government. They were told that they were going to protect ethnic German minorities in neighboring countries.

Would you argue that the Nazis should have been allowed to invade others as they pleased? That their old grievances from WWI or the astounding loss of life associated with WWII would have justified staying out of it and allowing the Nazi invasion to continue? As far as I'm concerned, the only thing that could have been done better in the present scenario is better protection of Ukraine against this invasion in the first place. Putler would not likely have invaded a nuclear-armed Ukraine, nor would he have likely invaded if NATO forces were staring back from across the border. He went in because he thought Ukraine would be an easy target and the war would be over quickly. Now we're all left with the question of whether it's better to support more fighting and killing to protect national sovereignty and democracy or allow the fascists to win. To me, that's not a serious debate. As long as the Ukrainians are willing and able to fight for their freedom and to retake what has been wrongfully taken from them, they should be supported in that. Russia's targeting of civilians and the ongoing death of soldiers on both sides result from Russians' poor choices and are not the fault of Ukrainians defending their land and freedom, nor the fault of those who support Ukraine in this, except from a completely dispassionate standpoint where everyone who materially contributes to the bloodshed bears a corresponding portion of responsibility.

 

Huh?

 

That's why Comrade Pooteen calls everyone a Nazi whom he dislikes.
The ruZZian mob is highly receptive to this.

So the ruZZkis want to fight and die for their Fuhrer.

 

As I thought, just another Putinbot talking in circles. I'll leave you to it comrade.

 

Send Nazi tanks back into Ukraine and every Russian will be ready and willing to push the “button.”

 

"The Germans Are Coming Again!" would be the battle cry for the national mobilization of Russia.

We Are Not ‘At the Brink of World War III’ — At Least Not Yet. “Putin is stuck in a war he has so far been unable to win or quit. The longer this drags on, the more likely it is that Putin will try something truly desperate, or that some other spark — perhaps in Iran, for example — will light an even bigger conflagration.”



'Russia and Israel have had a yearslong understanding that has allowed Israeli warplanes to repeatedly strike Iranian targets inside Syria, where Moscow provides air defenses for President Bashar al-Assad. Israel is worried that open support for Ukraine could imperil its ability to strike Iranian targets in Syria.'

'Russia is also the main sponsor of Syria’s long-embattled Assad regime engaged in a simmering terror campaign against Israel.\

“I’m increasingly reminded of 1914. The web of treaties, secret and open, alliances, etc.”



'Weakness begets desperation, however, and that’s where things do resemble 1914.'

'Imperial Germany under Kaiser Wilhelm II had alienated most of Europe during his belligerent reign, and the result was a previously unthinkable Franco-Russo-British alliance. Caught in a trap of its own making, Germany found that it had to support its only remaining ally — hapless Austria-Hungary — no matter what.'

'That’s how a local Balkan crisis in 1914 spiraled into a war so devastating that the Continent remains culturally scarred by it to this day.'

'From the start of Putin’s stupid war, Biden should have pursued a two-track strategy of arming Ukraine to the teeth (Track One) while using all means at his disposal to force a negotiated settlement (Track Two).'

'Yes, a negotiated settlement would require concessions from Kyiv, too. Sorry, Ukraine. Our national interests do align when it comes to Russian aggression — but they do not align perfectly.'

'Instead, Biden (and the rest of the West) has dithered endlessly on sending Ukraine the weapons needed to win, while doing basically nothing on the diplomatic front. Worse, Biden has escalated the stakes for Putin personally, by insisting on regime change that we can’t actually force and wouldn’t want to risk forcing even if we could.'

'We’re one black-swan event away from being' at WWIII.

 

Seen this?



https://www.axios.com/2023/01/25/germany-us-ukraine-leopard-abrams-battle-tanks
Germany will initially supply 14 Leopard 2 tanks from its own stock, as well as ammunition and logistical and maintenance support, its government said in a statement. Training Ukrainian forces on the Leopards is expected to begin soon. Germany will also quickly provide licenses to other European countries that wish to supply Leopards from their own stock, the statement added. Poland has already requested approval to send some of its Leopards to Ukraine. The goal, the German government said, was for Germany and its allies to supply two battalions with Leopards, which would be 88 tanks, per AP.

88 refers to the SS and 14 refers to the Waffen SS 14th Division. This was the ukrainian nazi division of the SS. The 14 and 88 are a big deal with ukie nazis.

 

You agents are really something. They've got you working in shifts to try and convince us that Putler's invasion is all our fault and any escalation or expansion of the war on his part is likewise all our fault.

 

“What we’re we thinking!”

Isn’t propaganda supposed to try to make sense at this point?

 

Fake News. They are both corrupt nations and both have oligarchs paying off the Bidens.

 

I'll one up you. Double Fake News.

 

Along with some American M1 Abrams. Got me thinking, who would win in a fight in this match up: M1 Abrams vs Leopard 2.

 

Yes, who would?

 

I actually don't know enough about tanks. I know that they're both formidable systems. I see that you're from Germany, so you might say the Leopard!

 

It is like this: I do not know so much about tanks either.
I suppose: Those two kinds of tanks differ, but both are OK in their own right.

 

Both tanks being equal it would depend on the crew’s ability to utilize the tank’s capabilities.

 

When playing with numbers, one can always find things like this, if one wants.
With any numbers.

 

You're a dreamer. Tell that crap to somebody who doesn't know any better. I did my year in Vietnam. We haven't "fought for good" since 1944.

 

Truth.

And without nukes, we can't win/haven't won anything.

 

Both phrases are true.

• Both nations are corrupt
• Both nations have oligarchs paying off the Bidens.

And it goes from there. Both sides are using US manufactured material to attack each other. This is a war-mongers dream.

 

Nobody is "paying off the Bidens."

 

Sure, Ukrainian and Russian Oligarchs just have an irrational urge to shove $millions into crackhead Hunter's pockets. They probably have that same urge with millions of other random people.

 

That is standard practice within thoroughly corrupt Russia, but your accusations regarding the Bidens are simply false.