Gina Haspel, C.I.A. Deputy Director, Had Leading Role in Torture

Libs and the justice system.

 

ProPublica isn't "the source"; I don't remember seeing their name in any findings. On the other hand, Kiriakou is a source.

 

It does work; Inside information in the biggest busts was obtained via collaborators who worked willingly with the law and being compensated. You can't bring a testimony obtained from torture in a court (for some reason).

 

Not sure about the last line. Some people here seem to enjoy that methodology (as long as it is applied by the "good guys" - if some "terrorist" used it then there would be righteous outrage). The CIA aren't necessarly the "good guys" now, are they?

From my part, I would have a hard choice if I would be forced between defending either torture, or pedophilia. Both are on the same level of disgusting, IMO.

 

Are you running for Strawman Queen? Try to communicate with those who take the time to discuss with you instead of cueing them your obvious cassette.

 

... Or was grossly mis-informed, and changed his mind since, in the face of evidences.

 

So you would stoop to their level which makes you no better..Waterboarding is not a effective means of torture plus tortured people tend to tell the torturer anything to stop the torture..Including lies..

The worst bombing of schools have been done by good old fashioned white boys..

 

The French Revolution was based on the premise that government by the people was impervious to corruption. The American Revolution was based on distrust of government and so the Constitution was written with checks and balances. The government which came out of the French Revolution killed hundreds of thousands and fortunately did not last long. The US Constitution although under attack from those who continue to believe that government is the answer still exists today.

 

You can try to refute the article. but you aren't the source, nor a legitimate news source. Thanks for trying though...

 

That's horsepuckey. Both revolutions were based on the fact that previous forms of governments had done their time, and that the next one would be better and closer to the people. Both Republics are at about the same place today - you're certainly no more civilised than France, now do you?

Now as that you replaced the colonisators that were great britain, French royalty and the church are still kept at bay today in French politics thanks to Lady Guillotine.

 

Excellent podcast by the Intercept illustrating how you have always been a White Nationalist State. They convincingly identify this at this particularly time with the 2nd Amendment and the NRA. The 2nd Amendment they argue is so that white people can kill black people and Indians and anyone else who is not white. You did of course have your time of civil liberties in the 60's which many moan about now but particularly since 9/11 you have reverted to type - which of course has got a lot worse now you are soon to be losing your place of privilege - particularly the WWC who seem prone to being manipulated. Of course those white American's who were always genuinely not racist continue to work hard for an inclusive America with equal rights for all.

Highly recommend this podcast.

White Supremacy and the Church of the Second Amendment.

 

I don't need to - the article refutes itself. It isn't an investigation they did - it's a reporting. It's the first time I ever heard of these guys in the torture debate. They are no source, just parroting it.

And anyway... Did you actually read their article? I did, and there's nothing in there that denies that she has been "chief of base" while torture was practiced there, that she took an active part in it, and that she destroyed evidences. The article simply retracts on the possibility that she was "chief of base" while one notorious torture case surfaced.

 

That’s hilarious and a fine example of intellectual dishonesty. By the way the second amendment provided the means by which black Americans defended themselves against those who meant to do them harm (Condi Rice).

 

The French Revolution was civilized ??

 

As far as revolutions go, yes. France is a big country, with lots of people. 50 000 deaths is relatively insignificant.

 

Ok you obviously are someone who stays ignorant by answering things without looking at them.

https://theintercept.com/2018/02/28...emacy-and-the-church-of-the-second-amendment/

Please check out the podcast before you display another hilarious lack of knowledge and a fine example of intellectual dishonesty.

 

Why did those 50,000 die ??

 

It’s a waste of time to indulge hysteria.

 

Of course the only thing which you could possible call hysteria was my copying the insults you gave me in the last line

You have been provided with information which illustrates how the 2nd Amendment and the NGA is there to help White Nationalist Americans kill Blacks Indians and other non whites. You try to manage your gross ignorance first by being insulting and then simply hide your eyes and continue insults. Not hard to guess what you are trying to protect yourself from.

 

I've provided conspiracy theories and misrepresentation. It's a waste of time to consider Zinn like fake history narratives.

 

OK not a surprise that is where you come from.

Well I do not know Zinn but in this instance you are choosing to ignore reality so that you can continue with I guess you would call it 'false history narratives'.

 

I went to prison for disclosing the CIA’s torture. Gina Haspel helped cover it up.
By John Kiriakou

I was inside the CIA’s Langley, Va., headquarters on Sept. 11, 2001. Like all Americans, I was traumatized, and I volunteered to go overseas to help bring al-Qaeda’s leaders to justice. I headed counterterrorism operations in Pakistan from January to May 2002. My team captured dozens of al-Qaeda fighters, including senior training-camp commanders. One of the fighters whom I played an integral role in capturing was Abu Zubaida, mistakenly thought at the time to be the third-ranking person in the militant group.

By that May, the CIA had decided to torture him. When I returned to CIA headquarters that month, a senior officer in the Counterterrorism Center asked me if I wanted to be “trained in the use of enhanced interrogation techniques.” I had never heard the term, so I asked what it meant. After a brief explanation, I declined. I said that I had a moral and ethical problem with torture and that — the judgment of the Justice Department notwithstanding — I thought it was illegal.

Unfortunately, there were plenty of people in the U.S. government who were all too willing to allow the practice to go on. One of them was Gina Haspel, whom President Trump nominated Tuesday as the CIA’s next director.

Putting Haspel in charge of the CIA would undo attempts by the agency — and the nation — to repudiate torture. The message this sends to the CIA workforce is simple: Engage in war crimes, in crimes against humanity, and you’ll get promoted. Don’t worry about the law. Don’t worry about ethics. Don’t worry about morality or the fact that torture doesn’t even work. Go ahead and do it anyway. We’ll cover for you. And you can destroy the evidence, too.

Read the rest ...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outl...517e912f125_story.html?utm_term=.1f54d6542cbc

 

Personally I don't know the statistics on whether it works or not or for that matter does anyone outside of government since there's so much fake news. It truly has gotten to the place where journalism is completely DEAD in this country. So knowing that, all we can do now is try to use our own common sense at this point. Mine tells me knowing how the Middle East is hell bent on destroying Americans to the point their brainwashed minions are willing to blow themselves up for their cause, we better find something VERY strong and painful if we are to even try to level the playing field and extract information from these horrible animals.

Remember they are taught to believe Allah will richly reward them on the other side by giving them 72 virgins. Their families will be well taken care of blah blah blah. So needless to say they're very motivated to carry out their horrific agendas. If anyone can come up with a better method, I'm all ears. That said don't expect people in the aftermath of tragedy like those who have lost loved ones or worried they might at the hands of these terrible savages to feel empathy towards them. It really is coming down to us or them... so time to get off the pot and pick a side.

 

Because they were tied with the former regime.

 

Again...What don't you get about, we're at war? We should enter an automatic rifle fight wielding a butter knife?

They can brain wash their minions to blow themselves up and KILL MANY of our people, but we on the other hand better play nice and not hurt them (NOT KILL) but simply hurt them to extract information that might keep them from KILLING our people?

Beginning to think nay-saying do-gooders on this forum are actually THEM spreading propaganda because they don't want Gina in the equation.