Given the terrorist activity would you support a citizen militia?

Greetings, before I get to picking your argument apart further I read that you're German. Is that decent or nationality, you don't show your location?

Yes it's relevant, if your nationality is German I have to wonder about your motives for being so interested in US politics.

I get that, that doesn't mean that in the modern US it shouldn't be amended to include women. Even outside of our hypothetical militia arguments this is something that needs to be dealt with now in relation to selective service requirements.

We have different definitions for conscription then. It's not conscription cause it's not compulsory, everyone has the option, serve or fine. It's less compulsory then taxes, jury duty, selective service registration, etc.

This varied from State to State, yes the federal government only paid if the President called up the militia, but the president didn't call them up for training. Training was the responsibility of the States. Even so, so what it's a duty.

Of course not, but it was not significant nor under colonial control. You twist facts to your argument, that militia existed doesn't mean it was organized in any significant fashion with national war in mind.

Your use of quotes and limited examples does not prove or disprove the effectiveness of the Militia in the revolution. True under Washington and Gates the militia did poorly compared to regulars, at fighting in the traditional method of the time, they wanted to live. They however exceled at non-traditional skirmish and guerrilla warfare which played a huge roll in winning the war.

In that war a stalemate was a win...

The sacking of Washington had any causes, scapegoat the militia if you wish but in doing so you ignore many other factors.

Some States decided their militia was needed more at home.

1812 - 1792 = 20

The federal government considers it militia to get around posse comitatus, that doesn't make it so.

 

That just means you can be drafted.

 

No, it's not, relative to the quote from you I was specifically responding to:

Originally Posted by TheResister
... In Kennesaw, Georgia it is mandatory to have a firearm in your home. It is the law. Kennesaw has the LOWEST crime rate of any city in America."


Not true.

Kennesaw is the Safest City in America – Fiction!
Kennesaw isn’t the safest city in America.
The crime index in Kennesaw is 39, which means that it’s safer than 39% of cities in the U.S. One out of every 762 people in Kennesaw are victims of violent crime, and one out of every 49 people are victims of property crime, according to the website Neighborhood Scout.

 

I was thinking about that, you can be drafted in to state or federal military service.

 

Of course I have a rifle and will look further into those laws. I still don't see a connection that requires militia to own a rifle. If so I wouldn't disagree, I just don't see it in the law.

 

Mwah???

Where did you ever get that impression. I - and my family have been American citizens for many generations. I have no idea where you pulled that from. German is not even my nationality.

OK. Make all women eligible for the draft. Run on that,

It was compulsory. If you were poor and called up, you had no choice. You know from Rev war including Civil War, you could pay for someone to take your place. That used to be the law.

And they performed poorly, generally, as shown.

Some served with distinction, but overall, it was a mess.

Huh? You said it was "a new thing." It most certainly significant, it was organized and it was most certainly was not a new thing

Heh. What won the war was help the French. without their navy *plunk*. Not to say some the many brave who did contribute didn't assist, but it was not the militia who played as much a role as the French and the Continental Army.

OOOOhkay.

^^ You're defeating your own argument.

I guess you're back to playing the game the militia system in America was invented - your words: "a new thing" in 1792.

OOOOOOkay. lol

Wow. Just wow.

So everything in all our modern history that says it is - doesn't make the National Guard the militia.

OOOOOookkay.

Not much more I can say, except to comment you are woefully uninformed.

 

I don't think there's any laws on the books today that requires every male to own and be in possession of a military type rifle, but there should be.

If every American male is a member of the unorganized militia how can he say he's serving honorably in the militia if he doesn't own a rifle ?

I would call that dereliction of duty.

Really doesn't have to be a military type of rifle just one chambered for either the Winch. .308 / 7.62 X 51; Remington .223 / 5.56 X 45 or the 30-06.

The 303 Enfield Mk 3 is a pretty damn good combat rifle. But I think there would be a logistical problem when it comes to ammunition in America.

 

The other day I went back in your activity to get an idea of what you stood for, in there somewhere you said your German. Add to that the fact that there are so many on here who in foreign nations and argue internal US law and that you hide your location, I'm suspicious.

It's an issue that should have been addressed with the 19th amendment, would it be popular no, would it be fair absolutely.

Argue these semantics all you want, I don't care you just look foolish. More to the point, what's wrong with that, you assume I think that's wrong?

Addressed.

And cave men threw rocks at invaders, thus were militia, your argument is a then one of twisted semantics.

Never said the French or Continental Army weren't significant, but they wouldn't of even had the chance to organize if it wasn't for Militia. You do know that the war was on for over a year before the declaration?

 

You never saw that. I never once said I was German. Geeze man. My family has been in America since the 1800's and emigrated from Canada.

The 19th Amendment deals with voting rights. FOCUS!

???

No. Your poor skills in history was addressed.

What in the hell???

The Militia you said didn't exist before our founding?

The Continental Congress established the Continental Army by resolution June 14, 1775.

 

maybe cause he finds American politics an interesting topic to discuss??

 

A citizen militia would be a terrible idea, since that is the current source of most American terrorist strikes.

 

Duhh, and with rights comes responsibility, among them should have been selective service.

That was largely unorganized militia.

Remind me, where does that fall in relation to April 19, 1775, and July 4 1776?

 

There's not a single post of mine that ever said I was German. I don't know where in the heck he is getting that from, other than making it up. I've lived in America my whole life, as have my parents, and grandparents, going back to the 1800's.

 

No need to form an unorganized Militia.

just join your State Militia. They cannot be called for foreign service.

This is the New York Militia.

http://dmna.ny.gov/nyg/?id=enlist

 

Like I said,. Run on the idea all women should be drafted. Gopher it.

er, a few weeks after Lexington and Concord -- when the continental Congress decided it was important to have a professional Army..

 

So far, what you've done is to dismantle your own argument. Okay, big deal. A year ago, due to one or two incidents, the balance sheet changed a bit in Kennesaw... and then the places that ARE indisputably safe are also places where you find citizen militias.

Rather than bicker back and forth about the meaning of your link, I will trust others to look at the posts you and I have exchanged and answer that in their own mind. Are you that secure in your position - or do you want to argue over it as if those readers can't decide for themselves?

- - - Updated - - -

Are you that desperate for attention that you'd make a ridiculous statement that's already been disproven on this thread already?

 

You should join.

 

The big issue with state militias is that they are run by the government. So, if the government becomes the source of the problem, those militia members are prohibited from standing on the side of right.

The unorganized militia is not under the control or supervision of the government unless and until called into service. In the meantime, should the government be the source of the problem, the militia retains the Right, the Duty and the Obligation to hold the government accountable.

 

all Militias serve at the pleasure of the government if called for.


any militia that refuses to assist and supplement government forces, is illegal.

 

You're not paying attention.

You were proven wrong. Own up to it.

I'm very content to let the readers decide for themselves. I'm pretty secure in that position.

 

Are you that desperate for war that you'd fall right in line with the DAESH narrative?

 

The militia are prohibited from breaking US law. Clear enough

AKA insurrection. Which will be dealt with. Swiftly.

 

The reserve Militia is all able-bodied male citizens age 17-45.

but they serve to suppliment the National Guard.

 

And you know this just how? In comparison to what? BLM? Laughable.

 

before the Civil War, many Militias in the South hunted down and captured escaped slaves.