GMO's and God's design

Which study was flawed, because there are 4 of them listed.

My point is that if direct contact is hazardous to your health, then you need to show me a long term study of the accumulative effects of ingesting crops covered in roundup.

BTW, do you know how many Gallons of Roundup were sprayed in 2000, compared to 2012?

The crops are building a immunity to Roundup, forcing more and more roundup to be sprayed on the crops. In heavy agriculture areas Roundup can be found in the air in high concentrations!


Edit: lastly though, if you don't have something to debunk the findings on the detergent's, then you should just quit now!

 

No doubt they've done whatever science in the lab... I can make a vinegar and baking soda volcano and I am doing science.. What I'm saying is they haven't put any of their findings into the scientific arena.

 

So anything that is capable by human intellect is ok with god?

 

Did God design iron ore? When people smelt that ore and alloy it with other elements to make steel have they not "altered God's design"?


The teosinte on the left is "God's design". The corn on the right is man's alteration of that design. If you removed all of man's alterations right now, you'd starve to death within a week.

Of all of the legitimate arguments that could be made it baffles me as to why you would cling to this absurd "GMOs are anti-Christian" Luddite nonsense.

 

I thought that life held a special rank in God's creations, no?

See you keep attempting to conflate the idea of using salmon bones to make tools, and giving Salmon12 eyes. They are not the same thing!

 

nevermind................

 

The sad part is that people hear detergent, and think it is no big deal, because that is what we wash our clothes with.

Go feed it to your dog and see how harmless it is!

 

You can trust Monsanto, the poison company, to make your food.

 

Anyone that trusts Monsanto is either mis-informed or just plain foolish!

All I want is GMO food labled....thats it....period.

 

Actually, taking a plant that produces a few small grains and turning it into one that produces a lot of large grains is quite similar to giving salmon a few extra eyes. Are you against corn, too? What about beagles? Miniature horses? Domestic cows? Beefalo? Granny Smith Apples? Tangerines? Margarine? Goldfish/koi?

 

I couldn't agree more.. like I said in that other thread, I don't care if they invent a genetically modified super salmon that grows from an egg to the size of a horse in .04 nanoseconds, that has tentacles growing out of it, and speaks to you telepathically from behind the wrapper saying, "buy me, eat me, I'm genetically modified goodness!".

Just say so on the (*)(*)(*)(*)ing label.

 

This was done through breeding which could naturally occur.

We are talking about changing genetic structure in a lab here.

I really don't understand how this is so hard to understand?

 

Exactly.. Gene swopping isn't anything at all like breeding.

 

I can totally understand people simply wanting food to be labelled as GMO. The answer would be to only buy food that you know is not genetically modified. If the market is there then you'll see rows and rows of food labeled with big red letters "NOT genetically modified".

 

What if the market isn't there because nothing stops anyone from putting the label on, and selling Roundup drenched, Frankenfoods?

 

The native Americans had the best approach to selective breeding . They picked the most desired traits in the seed and "selected" them for the next years planting. I have done it with guppies and it works really well. Jacob ( i think) in the Old Testament used selective breeding to outwit his father-in law to increase his sheep herd. So selective breeding is in the Bible. GMO's are not.

As I have said before... selective breeding is NOT genetic modification!

 

So the genetically altered salmon fish.. could it reproduce with a natural salmon fish from the wild and produce a baby 1/2 GM 1/2 natural salmon fish baby?

 

I think genetics are a little more complex than that.

It all depends on the way the genes are passed on. They use Punnit squares to determine the probability of genes being passed on.

 

I'm not confusing anything. I'm just actually sticking to the OP's own premise which he doesn't even seem capable of doing. The premise being that it is un-Christian to support "altering God's design". Is selective breeding not "altering God's design"??

If you guys want to talk about the differences in technique to make changes to nature then start a thread on that and go to town. In this thread, I'll continue to discuss the OP's illogical premise.

 

Are our domesticated dog breeds not "genetically modified?"

 

That made no sense. How would some hypothetical fraud scenario cause there to be no market for non-genetically modified food?

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Genetically manipulated would probably be a better description. Either way, it is an "alteration of God's design".

 

Not if God designed then to conform to selective breeding to help man. Or if he designed them to mutate naturally and adapt to differing environments.

 

If god wanted us to have poodles, he would have given us poodles.

 

Are you saying that God wasn't capable of making genetic material that couldn't be modified? Did he drop the ball on that one?

 

So this hasn't already happened with organic foods?

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How many times are people going to come in here and make the same debunked argument over and over.

This should be a bannable offense, as I would rather have someone spit in my face then engage in this idiocy!