God Is Impossible: Problem of Evil

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  1. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    According to his books (supposed to be true) God tells us all what is evil and then shows us through example. Some of the "Eyewitness" accounts are of the most evil things I can think of and are far worse than ANYTHING this Satan dude ever did.
     
  2. Diuretic

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    And his delegates on Earth of course.
     
  3. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Well...that and killing everything but a boatload, killing everyones firstborn kid, turning folks to salt and stuff.....etc.....
     
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    Are you aware what the Egyptians did to the Hebrew babies?


    Some scholars believe that could be a figure of speech (for something else that they're not quite exactly sure of).

    It doesn't say exactly what they did, but we can assume it was pretty bad, for the most part.

    I don't know, you look at some parts of the M.E. these days, and it's almost easy to feel the same way.
     
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  5. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Trying to excuse or confuse what it did does not change what it did.
     
  6. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    "It" ? You're talking like Buffalo Bill in Silence of the Lambs.
     
  7. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    IT is an IT unless you for some reason believe in the Old Whit Man in the clouds as God. Take a look at this and then tell me what sex God is:
     
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    Questerr Banned

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    The Problem of Evil doesn’t prove a god is impossible.

    It only proves that any god in existence is a dick.
     
  9. xwsmithx

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    The same Bible says God hates, gets angry, and feels regret.

    Proverbs 6:16-19 ESV

    There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.

    https://www.openbible.info/topics/god_hates_sin

    Numbers 12:9 ESV

    And the anger of the Lord was kindled against them, and he departed.

    https://www.openbible.info/topics/god_righteous_anger

    1 Samuel 15:11 ESV

    “I regret that I have made Saul king, for he has turned back from following me and has not performed my commandments.”

    https://www.openbible.info/topics/god_regret
     
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    The simplest and most logical explanation for the story of Lot's wife is as a creation myth, centered around the existence of pillars of salt located around the Dead Sea. Sodom was located in the plain near the Dead Sea and its mysterious destruction (generally considered to be caused by a volcanic eruption now) combined with the sometimes human-appearing salt pillars lent themselves to a combined story.
     
  11. tecoyah

    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Or....it's just one of the many impossible and made up stories in the Bible(s).
     
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    Then God doesn't exist because he is conflicted. Maybe the definition of "pure" is needed.
     
  13. Kode

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    This is what I always get from "believers". I present a contradiction in the bible's concept of "God", and the "believer" simply repeats bible quotes without proving anything regarding the contradiction. Or maybe you think that because the bible says a contradiction exists, that it therefore doesn't exist.
     
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    Most myths and fables are based on reality. We now have evidence that crows really can get water from a pitcher by filling it with pebbles (Aesop) and that children can be born with a single eye in the middle of their head (Cyclops).
     
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    I'm not a believer. You were the one claiming that God couldn't hate or change his mind. I showed that he could and did. The contradiction doesn't bother me in the slightest.
     
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    Adam and Eve took care of that, we are no longer perfect since sin entered into the Creation and corrupted it to its core only God is outside and above it and therefore the only perfection there is.
     
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    IMO, it's a flawed premise to think of evil as a force. Cold is not a force, it's just the absence of heat. Darkness is not a force, it's just the absence of light. In that regard, evil is not a force, it's just the absence of good or, according to some religions, "God". An omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omniscient God can exist and choose not to interfere in the choices of sentient inhabitants of the Universe. This is what Deism is all about.
     
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  18. Max Rockatansky

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    Does this mean you take the Bible literally? Is the world only 6000 years old? Who did Adam and Eve's children marry? Each other?
     
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    Swensson Devil's advocate

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    Well, there you go. By that understanding of good, bone cancer in children is not evil, which resolves the problem of evil. This might seem tongue in cheek, but while it is a bit over the top, I think it points out an actual flaw in the argument of the problem of evil.
     
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    He doesn't conflict at all.

    How do you think that He does?
     
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    I didn't say he "conflicts". I said he is conflicted.

    1 John 4:8 - "Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love."

    1 John 4:16 - "And so we know and rely on the love God has for us. God is love."

    1 John 3:3 - "purify ourselves even as He is pure"

    Proverbs 6:16 - "These six things doth the LORD hate..."

    Deuteronomy 16:22 - "Neither shalt thou set thee up any image; which the LORD thy God hateth."

    If God is "pure", and he is love, but he hates SOMETHING - .... -ANYTHING, ........ then he is conflicted and the described "god" cannot exist any more than you could exist if you were alive but dead.

    I can hardly wait to read your reply!
     
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    A mother loves her son even though she hates him for killing 20 people.

    I am not understanding the conflict here.
     
  23. Kode

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    I knew it. You think a mother IS love, and is pure. And you think a mother is comparable to your god. What a joke.
     
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    Nope but it was a relevant example which you obviously can't refute.

    So yes, you can love and hate at the same time.

    But if you can prove that wrong then feel free or just attack me without actually arguing the point.

    Balls in your court.
     
  25. Max Rockatansky

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    God isn't conflicted. It's mankind's interpretation of God which is conflicted. Do you think the Bible was written by God or man?
     

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