Graham proposes 15-week abortion bill, dividing Republicans ahead of midterm elections

Mandate is to coerce via a consequence of some kind. Force means it would be illegal to refuse.

 

They’re not interested in negotiations.
They used the excuse that abortion should be up to each state, but graham revealed their true agenda, which is to impose a fascists right wing theocracy on everyone.

 

15 weeks sounds pretty reasonable.

The argument for abortion after that is pretty weak. (except in the case of abnormalities or exceptional health reasons)

 

why 15 weeks?

http://www.slate.com/id/2120872/

"a member of President Bush's Council on Bioethics, describes in his book The Ethical Brain, current neurology suggests that a fetus doesn't possess enough neural structure to harbor consciousness until about 26 weeks, when it first seems to react to pain. Before that, the fetal neural structure is about as sophisticated as that of a sea slug and its EEG as flat and unorganized as that of someone brain-dead."

 

Pay attention women of America! Female Bodily Autonomy and freedom for all Americans are on the ballot in Nov 2022.

 

the said thing is, what the anti-choicers want is 15 weeks, then they want to make them get permission from the government... which they will never get in that 15 weeks or ever....

 

So why did any politician wait 50 years to do anything?

It's not a federal matter at this point, that was SCOTUS ruling was about.

 

And still hasn’t.

 

Graham knows this would be rejected by the democrats. Politically it is a good move because it shows Republicans are reasonable while the democrats are taking an extreme position.

It also debunks the claim by democrats that Republicans want to make abortion illegal.

 

If it's not full body autonomy, it's a bs deal.
Do you take a plea deal when you are innocent?

 

Interesting .. list has had gotten bigger since I was a young warthog. Regardless .. these vaccines are acutual vaccines .. in that they prevent transmission and protect you from harm. The Covid Vax does not prevent transmission .. nor protect you from harm "Unless" one is immune compromized.

So for a healthy person - especially Males 16-30 - the risk of harm from the Vax is far higher than risk of harm from the disease -- this is especially true with Omicron and later varients .. which do not target the lower respiratory like the Delta and previous did.

 

All the time folks take plea deals when innocent ...

 

"Get vaxed or lose job" is forced vaccination. So pathetic these tyrannical authoritarian collectivist sheeple who think it is not force/compulsion to threaten loss of one's livelihood.

 

Most do. It often depends on how well you and Bubba the horse raper are getting on.

And nobody is offering this deal anyway

 

Well, they want to criminalize that as well. Some states are already working on passing laws similair to Texas in this regard, and creating a vigilante type bounty system.

 

At least we now know it was NEVER EVER EVER about "States Rights"


Its about of old white men who feel the need to cruelly control womens bodies and reproductive systems.

 

After the Dobbs case, Graham said that there should be no national bill on abortion when the Democrats introduced a bill to give rights to abortion.

 

Here's an idea - why don't you and your opponents across the aisle agree to stop attacking everyone's right to self-proprietorship altogether?

 

I'll agree, it's crazy how the left all say they want a federal law yet when someone proposes they lose their mind and call them a traitor. Although I think it's bad timing, I think the majority of Americans would be happy with the former roe guidelines. You know 20 weeks with exceptions.

 

LOL kind of like Roe did?

 

At least it would codify abortion rights in every state. The Democrats proposal is extreme, allowing abortion all the way to birth with no exceptions. Same policy as China.

 

He's proposed an abortion bill which by the way, followed Roe (20 weeks) throughout the years. Ofcourse the left was offended, now their offended Roe was overturned, now they don't even want the restriction Roe had, even though their pissed Roe was overturned. You can't make this stuff up.
From 2013
https://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/graham-abortion-bill-senate/2013/11/02/id/534447/

 

The "left" wasn't offended, it was that Roe v Wade was the law of the land at that time and did not provide any bans whatsoever. That's why. Nowadays, no one will compromise because they don't want to give the other side any leg room for a "victory." Hence why we are in this mess to begin with.

 

I don't think "leg room for a "victory"" had anything to do with it. In my estimation, the problem was that the extremists on both sides were driving the debate, whereas the majority of Americans were OK with a compromise that addressed the contending rights of the mother and the unborn.

In the end, however, we're in this mess because a majority of jurists on the SCOTUS decided not to uphold the right to self-proprietorship, which is a right that has been recognized by the SCOTUS, common law and the Anglo-American rights tradition going back at least as far as the 17th Century. IMO, the ruling was an exercise in judicial cherry-picking, and there's not a lot that can be done to remedy it. This Court appears to be set on striking down any attempt to codify abortion laws at the federal level.

 

What a laughable joke .. coersion is force .. and Force does not necessarily mean it would be illegal to refuse .. as in taking someone's livilihood away. Coersion is a form of force .. but regardless .. obviously you think coersion of this nature is OK .. Threatening someone's lifelihood .. no big deal .. only a small amount of coersion..

Let me know what you tell your son when he comes home and tells you that his gay boss made him bend over .. which he did for fear of losing job .. needing money to pay for sick child .. all perfectly ok by your standard . Employers violating bodily autonomy on threat of loss of that employment - no big deal according to you .

Let me know when the hypocrisy is too much mate.. is there no level of absurdity that is untolerable .. to salvage crucified position ?