Great American Gun myth no2 "Guns don't kill people People Kill people"

Because the real killers are people believing the myths

If, places like Switzerland can stand against the statistic that more guns = more crime (and believe me despite the claims to the contrary that is more statistically true than the opposite) then it has to be down to how we THINK about guns. So I am challenging the myths and rhetoric behind the gun debate

 

speaking of myths...or actually strawmen / falsehoods..

But, and this is a big but please stop spreading this elephant excreta all over the internet that somehow guns are magical safety shields

the EE being spread here is by you.

Cars dont kill people, whiskey doesnt kill people, swords dont kill people.
They are not free agents with will.

Except in myth and dishonest rhetoric.

The part in bold above is dishonest.

Five "toasts" in a row is an argument?

Do you think guns kill people?

Do bathtubs kill people?

Cars?

Or do you just care nothing about accurate English usage?

 

.....they've already implemented near to complete non-ownership of all firearms in Australia. (gun ban)
The OP wants to implement those same conditions on America, to remove the Right to ownership of a gun for a variety of reasons. It is a continuation of a previous "discussion."

 

ad hom..strawman

 

then how do guns kill people?

 

...like...you don't?
Bear in mind, you started this thread...lol not us gun freaks

 

False. I believe that "myth", and I'm not a killer. Same goes for millions of law-abiding gun owners, police officers, and military.

 

Using that logic, the OP is clearly a supporter of the abolition of automobiles. There are three times as many deaths by automobile as there are by gun in the USA. Ban automobiles. You must work within 10 miles or so of your place of employment (or whatever you can reasonably walk or bike). Perhaps we should look into bicycle death statistics for further bans?

 

Read your Wash Post link - it doesnt even address the issue, just states your "myth".

You miss the intent of the statement "guns dont kill people, people kill people". The issue is not the firearm, its the motivation of the person using the firearm that is brought into question. Gun control doesnt work because the motivated criminal will not concern himself with registering or properly acquiring a firearm. The intent of the statement is to focus resources on identifying the criminal rather than wasting resources on mass gun control. Canada just learned the waste and futility of their long gun registration program and are discarding it.

Maybe thats why you see this as a myth, you dont understand what the statement means.

And - nobody believes you dont want to "take away guns" no matter how many times you write it or how large a font you use.

 

A does not equal B

I said the real killers are people believing the myths NOT that all people believing the myths are killers

 

When did I say I wanted to abolish guns??

Now if the myth were that drunk driving does not kill people but people kill people would you have the same problem with it? In fact drink driving is a good analogy because there is a law against THAT but it obviously has not stopped the death rate so why do we not just do away with all drink driving laws?

 

......you do wish to see our guns taken away. The logical and reasonable end of the argument you present would conclude by taking our firearms away. You present your argument in this manner because it is your conviction/opinion. You do not fool anyone, and that is why I've handled you accordingly.

 

For clarity here, please say who the 'real killers" are in your opinion.

It appears that you mean that they are the people who dont actually kill
but anyone who believes a simple truism, identified by you as "myth(s)"

And the people who really do kill someone are not the real killers.

All this following a statement that "a does not equal b'.

WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY, and IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH, ...

 

Criminal misuse is what kills people. We notice you said "drunk driving"
not "cars".

Cars dont kill people, drunk drivers do. Care to argue with that?

 

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Have it your way then - we will ban all the people and keep all the cars and guns lol!!!

 

..but Bowerbird=gun ban in the US

 

I gather Ozzy wasn't too familiar with what happened in Rwanda...

Anyway, guns do make it easier to kill people, if those people know how to use them, but I also think that in hand to hand combat a knife can be a more effective weapon.

"I'm making an accurate generalization, but its generally untrue on an individual level." LOL what?

 

Sorry is that logic too obtuse?

All dresses owned by me are red but not all red dresses are owned by me - get it now

So, we can have people living and behaving responsibly around guns - we can even have whole countries that do that. What it the ultimate difference between someone not behaving responsibly and someone who does

It is not always drugs although they play a part

It is not always poverty although it plays a part

It is not always alcohol although it plays a part

It is not even marriage and fidelity although that plays a part

http://cad.sagepub.com/content/41/4/496.short (hmmmmm perhaps we should amend that meme to read "guns don't kill people relationships kill people"

But a "gun culture" that enhances risk taking behaviours may also be one of the causes

What is painfully obvious is how much higher the homicide statistics are in America compared to the rest of the world - there has to be something driving that and if not the gun ownership itself then maybe the attitudes about guns

 

That's not equivalent to your other statement. You said "the real killers are people who believe the myths" implying that this is the main cause of deaths, but then you say that not all people believing the myths are killers which implies that you recognize this latter part to be true only of a small minority. People who believe that people are responsible for their actions are not the overwhelming cause of death by firearm in the US. There are a lot of reasons why the homicide rate is what it is in the US and I suspect there is not one overwhelming answer as you appear to assert. If you want to get to the bottom of it, study it with an open mind, don't make assumptions you can't back up.

 

...then we should put stiffer controls on rope and chairs. Place escessive taxes on rope and chairs to discourage hanging oneself. How about a car exhaust tax for those whoe die from garages and cars. Restricting access from laying down on railroad tracks, or prohibit foot traffic in heavy traffic areas. Bridges? Pills are another good one.....
Anyway you cut it, it is still the mind, not the device, You appear to giving an inanimate object, Life. Guns are evil, they are killers. Get rid of guns and eliminate suicides, murders, rapes, and other such heinious crimes. That's utter tosh!
Then why does a fellow go to prison for a weapon charge instead of the gun doing time?

 

Ozzie. You made a funny. Taking gun advise from Ozzie is like taking stock market advise from the drunk homeless guy downtown.

 

You are right. Freedom is viral.

 

..those who would sacrifice Liberty and Freedom for safety deserve nothing.........

 

Im not planning on sacrificing any of those. I have the freedom to let CZ, and Smith and Wesson help me to be safe.