Gun deaths in 2016

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That's as puerile as what ChrisL said. We do understand; we understand that guns are responsible for so many deaths and maimings, which is why we're arguing for their abolition. It's you who don't understand, not us!

 

The National Rednecks Association?

 

But in America you are battling a culture so this would not work
One of the only ways is to let them have thier guns but legislate for responsible firearm ownership

 

Well I can't see the various criminal fraternities signing up to that, and they're mainly the ones who cause all the deaths. No, my way would sort it once and for all. Sticking plasters are no good for something which needs radical surgery.

 

When I say legislate for responsibility - look at where the criminals in America are getting thier guns.

Straw purchases and private sales

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html

Here in Australia if you buy a gun it is YOURS = sell it without change of registration and it is used in a crime your arse belongs copper

If you are found with an unregistered firearm - your arse belongs copper

If you are found with an unsecured firearm in a public place - your arse belonga copper

Securing firearms has reduced suicide rates and has reduced homicide rates where it has been introduced

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...s-shootings-and-reduced-homicides-study-finds

 

Yes, that's fine for the law-abiding but the criminals and the psychos like to carry theirs around with them.

 

Semi Auto weapons became so scarce here that the crims were HIRING them out and IF and only IF you actually used one then you had to buy it - at tens of thousands of dollars

So yea, controlling supply does work to reduce the gun availability - not to hardened crims but to casual and first time crims - like druggies

 

Why would you live somewhere that a "big mean guy" is going to break in and harm you?

What happens if you are sound asleep and you hear what sounds like a big mean guy about to enter your bedroom so you shoot. But it just turns out to be your flatmate coming home drunk from a late party!

Or what happens if you are sound asleep and you hear what sounds like a big mean guy about to enter your bedroom so you roll over and start scrabbling for your guns and pick up the wrong one so you scrabble around some more to find the right one and then you forget to take off the safety and by the time you actually point it at the big mean guy he has already shot you 3 times because you were trying to get your gun?

Or you could just be smart and install a burglar alarm or own a dog. Big mean guys don't break into homes with alarms and dogs.

 

Or even yet a little dog - most crims know that little dogs are more likely to bite than bigger dogs and they don't always go for the ankles......

Mind you owning a whopping big carpet python is also a good safety - there are not that many crims able to tell the difference between a venomous and non-venomous snake and even fewer who would enter a dwelling housing one

Or even just a prominent sign. "Dear flatmate please watch out for my venomous Tarantula "Fred" he escaped yesterday and is somewhere in the flat,,,,,,,,,"

 

This sign in the window would probably make them consider going elsewhere.

 

Same here but the news gives a different perception. I doubt you hang out in the worst part of a city either.

 

Why do you keep suggesting changes that will never be implemented in the US? Any improvements have to fit in our set of rules and culture. Even the simple buy-back/confiscation scheme violates two separate sections of the Constitution and would require the surrender of over 200 million firearms, none of which would be given up by criminals.

 

We don't live where we allow the state to simply legislate away people's rights.

We also put up with a similar number of deaths each year due to cars and about three times as many deaths due to alcohol. We have a subculture of violence that no gun laws will ever prevent, and a suicide problem, where non-firearm suicide rate has grown at 5 times the firearm suicide rate.

What resolution s do you suggest that are Constitutional, effective, enforceable and necessary?

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Then why are you here?

 

America has a gang problem and a failure of democrat run inner cities.

 

You plan to take the guns away from the military and police?
You plan to un-invent firearms technology and remove the means for someone who knows how to produce a firearm?

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Nothing here changes the fact that rights do not originate with the state.
That being the case, the state has no standing as a licensor.

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70% of violent crime in the US does not involve a gun.
And so, even if the criminals do not have guns, there is a need for the law-abiding to have them.

 

This is an oft-repeated falsehood, based on a flawed study with parameters chosen to produce a desired result.
But, you know this.

The number of justifiable homicides compare to the number of criminal homicides is not a valid metric as a person need not discharge a firearm to effectively use it in self-defense.
But, you know this.

 

Who has abolished guns? Do you feel that all items responsible for deaths and maimings should be abolished?

Exactly how do you propose to actually abolish guns in an Constitutional, effective and enforceable manner?

 

What l;aw will prevent a straw purchase?

In America, firearms registration violates the Constitution.

There you are, arguing correlation = causation again

In America, mandatory "securement" violates the Constitution; aside from that, you cannot show how the requirement that a person secures his gun prevents that person from shooting himself with it.

 

To answer your initial question, it usually takes several years for final numbers to be announced. Given that we're not even half way through January of '17, it will be quite some time until we know the '16 numbers. I don't know why it takes that long, but it does.

As for your condescending attitude and tone, "we" don't give a rat's ass what you do or do not understand. In my entire life, I've known one person who was murdered. She was beaten to death by her father with a hammer when we were middle-school students. I've known 2 people who saved themselves from being murdered because they were armed at the time, and of the two, only one had to pull the trigger. So perhaps it's you who should worry about your own statistics.

 

None of my guns are licensed. Nor are they required to be, nor should they be. I, for one, have no desire to "get guns out of society", nor do I have the right to impose such a thing on my fellow humans.

 

Abject insanity. Gun crime will never be eliminated. Guns are simple mechanical objects. They are easy to make out of common materials. And, as 3D-printing tech gets better and better, it won't be too much longer before even a moron can print a gun of the same quality as those produced by today's best manufacturers. Eliminating guns is, simply, not possible.

 

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Very much so.

 

Criminals always have the advantage, and rarely operate alone particularly in home invasions.

How does a 100 lb woman defend herself against 3 home invaders armed with nothing more than their fists? They don't even need guns against the weak and the elderly, who are their primary victims.

Criminals don't rob the houses of Navy Seals, they go after those who can't defend themselves.

Most of the "victims" of gun violence are themselves criminals.

Baltimore did a study and found that over 90% of the shooters had long criminal records (average of 9 prior arrests), but also 80% of the victims had long criminal records as well (average of 8 prior arrests).

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/20...-murder-victims-stanley-brunson-violent-crime

More than half the shooters had prior arrests for illegal gun usage/possession. This tells us that violent felons are not being charged or sentenced effectively.

Trying to control access to firearms isn't going to stop criminals from harming others.

The only way to stop violent people is to remove them from society, something that liberalism has no desire to do.