Gun deaths in 2016

Are you saying that there is no gang problem in the US?

 

Awesome post. Thanks for that, TD.

 

OMG!!! IT gets worse!!!

Now apparently all gangs are democrats!!!

Sorry but the world is not that simple

 

And if that is not a burglar but a police woman coming to see if you are OK because there has been a report of something suspicious from your apartment??

See that DID happen here - She was in her 20s good looking girl and she was called to an incident at a house - the man inside was in the middle of a paranoid "break" he answered the door with a shotgun. She lost half of her face

It does not always stop them - depends on the rifle, power, centre of shot etc. Some have managed to live despite horrific injuries

Do you really want to do this to someone else?
http://message.snopes.com/showthread.php?t=49952

Now as to the research - you have to do better than "I don't believe it"

The article I linked to quoted well documented peer reviewed papers

 

So you are always wide awake with a loaded gun in your hand with the safety off all night long every night?

Even trained police officers know better than to aim for someone's face and they know that they miss even under the best of conditions. They are also aware that if there is someone with a knife across the room from them that they could be stabbed by that person in less time than it takes them to draw, aim and fire.

But somehow you are are better than those trained police officers. Your gun will magically jump into your hand while you are fast asleep and point at the intruders nose and pull the trigger before you have even woken up and realized that there is someone in the room.

What you have is a false sense of security by owning your guns. They are next to useless unless you have the time to get your hands on it, push off the safety, aim it and fire. An intruder isn't going to wait around for you to do any of that. The intruder is wide awake while you are still half asleep. The intruder's night vision is already adjusted whereas you are fumbling around in the dark. The intruder is a moving target whereas are you are a sitting duck in your bed.

Reality, and statistics, prove that a gun is not going to help you.

https://www.thetrace.org/2016/05/gun-ownership-makes-women-safer-debunked/

Feel free to believe the NRA gun myths but the reality is nothing at all like their myths.

 

Because if someone has a weapon in the car it is secured or that person is charged under the firearms act. We do not muck about

Meanwhile look at our firearm homicide rate - in fact look at our overall homicide rate. Look at the UK in fact look at most of Western Europe. Your TOTAL homicide rate is worse than anyone but Lithuania and Russia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

Surely that means there is room for improvement

 

Oh geeze again?? Just like the guy a few pages back you assume all gun owners are idiots who can't pick up their gun without fumbling it, who can't shoot without looking first, or who hold their gun facing backward.
If a cop comes to my door I promise I'll finish my paranoid break before I answer the bell.

We're allowed to fire more than once! If I shoot the bad guy in the face, and he keeps coming then I'll keep shooting. The face, the neck, the knees. And it'll all happened within a few seconds.

Go ahead. Ask me what happens if Batman breaks down my door

Really? Let's test your statement out.

"I don't believe it."

looks under bed

My guns are still there so I'm guessing I don't have to do better.

 

I posted links earlier in the thread but if you want me to I will battle head on research paper for research paper critique for critique

I am sure of my stats - are you as sure of yours?

 

And what if you do not hear them enter? Do not tell me you ALWAYS lock your door because there is always that one time when the lock is faulty or you were distracted or the burglar was already IN the flat between you and your gun.

Dirty Harry was a myth Rambo was a myth

Shooting intruders is a rare rare rare event more commonly who is shot is someone you know

 

most gang members don't vote. however, the demographics that produce gangs are huge supporters of the Democrat party. And that makes sense since Democrat party policies help the gangs

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you want to know the real MYTH

gun banners who are truly motivated about making America safer from violent crime

 

If it's gonna become as easy as that then we're going to be in for some of it here, too? Oh well, what will be will be! I'm of the firm belief that mankind is on the skids anyway.

 

If you break through my front door I will wake up, roll onto the floor, grab my rifle, switch off the safety and popped back over the bed ready to fire before you get two steps inside my apartment.
Go ahead try it yourself with broom stick. Takes just seconds.

Yea because DOOR!!
You ain't getting through my front door quietly. And you are not going to magically find my bedroom in a dark apartment before I can shoot you.

All in two seconds.

I'll be the one waiting.

Good grief on a stick! You anti-gun people seem to think criminals are super human and gun owners are bubbling idiots.

No, they prove you are susceptible to every biased study you read on the web. You have to use some common sense and quit making up fanciful scenarios about super human burglars and zombie gun owners.

Do you even understand what you linked?

Why? I'm anti-NRA. I don't like them because they use overly broad statistics and studies to scare people. You know who else does this? The anti-gun lobby in the links you provided.

Stop finding partisan studies on the web and instead just sit back and think for yourself.

I could post twenty links at you of studies to counter your linked studies. But what's the point? I think for myself, so should you.

 

Ok, you have to be trolling now. You just have to be. You're just trying to wind me up. You just can't be as paranoid as you're representing yourself to be. Neither you or the other person I'm responding to can't be serious.

"What if the man comes through the chimney as Santa and rapes you because you think he's bringing toys?"

"What if it's ten men and they're all wearing body armor?"

"What if a roach crawls in your gun barrel and eats your bullets?"



Let me ask you this. If a man comes through your door and means you harm. What will you do?

Then why do you and Derideo_Te up there assume those are the guys coming through my front door?

So is speaking eleven languages fluently. You know who does that? Me!

 

"If you break through my front door I will wake up, roll onto the floor, grab my rifle, switch off the safety and popped back over the bed ready to fire before you get two steps inside my apartment.
Go ahead try it yourself with broom stick. Takes just seconds.".............so you really do live in a Call Of Duty XBox game then!

If you roll onto the floor and becuase you've only just woken p, you miss your rifle, do you have a reset button somewhere so that you can have another go!?

Do you live in a particularly dangerous part of the US? - Is it quite likely that someone might break into your house in the middle of the night then?

Imagine needing to sleep near a gun in order just to feel safe and protected! It's just all to Xbox and Playstation for me.

 

Put a broom stick on the floor just barely under your bed. Now roll off the bed, grab the stick and point it.
Takes two seconds at most.

I miss it? Then what. I just stare at it because ummmn I'm not allowed try again a half second latter?

Seriously you anti-gun people really make up some fanciful scenarios.

The chances are very small. But you know what chance is even smaller? The chance that my gun will wake up on its own and shoot me. You know why? Because inanimate objects don't have minds.

If a bad guy breaks through your door What will you do?

 

My question for those of you who are anti-gun. What will you do to stop a home intruder?

"It won't happen" isn't an answer.

And when you answer I'll come up with my own fanciful scenarios of how the bad guy will super humanely overcome your defenses just like you're doing in your responses to me.

 

No you won't.

Firstly unless you have multiple deadlocks you may never hear them

Secondly most rapes are by people you know. Easy to bring "the wrong one home". They may not come in through the door. You may have left that door open maybe just for a second to get soemthing and finally you may not be in bed. What if you are on the loo half way through and you sudenly have to get to your gun....

Only if it is someone who you do not know or does not know the layout of the flat

and that is when you are prepared, awake, not hung over........

You hope. Lots of women this has not been the case. Do yourself a favour and read about the BTK killer

With what is posted on this forum can you blame us?

Then why don't you? As I said I am willing to trade critique for critique. Which means actually READING the research first and stating exactly where the methodology flaw is and not just dismissing out of hand what you do not want to hear

 

Home intruders in Australia are not likely to be armed. Most burglaries here happen when no one is home because they do not want confrontation. No guns remember. But if someone did break in while I was at home I would use leverage if it came to infighting or kick them in the balls. Mostly our shop keepers either rely on CCTV or whack them with a broom. Bloody effective every so often you see a clip of some wanker getting whacked by a mop.

Remember no guns.

Yes the big crims have them but they are not interested in your second hand TV

 

Okay enough of this nonsense. I'm not going to respond to anymore fanciful and mythical scenarios concocted by you anti-gun people.

I've told you what I would do in your made up scenarios of an intruder coming through my door.

Your turn. When that criminal comes through your door What will you do?

"It won't happen" isn't an answer. I didn't use that answer and neither should you.

 

Nope, no guns. Just a big strong man raping you because he wasn't hurt by your broomstick or your leveraged kick to the balls.

Too bad you didn't have a gun.

Now you're just another rape statistic.

 

And I wouldn't wish that on anyone, no matter how fanciful and outlandish their home invasion stories.

 

Are you trying to rape me PUNK!



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1: Yes, that's really me.

2: The gun isn't real. It's a prop.

3: That's not how you should hold a gun. I know this. It's just a photo.

4: You can have my gun when you
.... ummmm .... when you pass a law saying you can have my gun. What? I'm not dying to keep it. I'm not a zealot. Until then, it's mine!!

 

Okay, I removed the photo in my last post. I'm not sure if this site allows that kind of photo.

 

Yes, we know you'll kill him. What you haven't thought about is that his family and friends will then hunt you down and kill you too! Great result??

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From all your pics I feel that I've known you for years!! Incidentally you're not my type!!

 

As far as I know nothing released...

But anyway, it is again interesting how still now the "pro-gun" people argue again and again about any statistics which harm their opinion and thinking.
Comparisons to mot ridiculous other countries, including / excluding suicides, marling if legal or illegal, marking of valid use because act of self defense and so on.

What I have learned in this forum is:

- As US citizen you can be wiretapped like mad, even illegal by the US services, who cares?
- AS US citizen you can get regulation in traffic and speed limits like mad, who cares?

But never ever touch this so holy right of own gun in constitution or even try to make any regulation here!

Really strange for a country where an 18 year old person can have since 2 years a driving license, can buy legally an arsenal of guns, can enter US Army & Co. and got to war and shot with guns ... but is not allowed to go into a bar and drink this so dangerous alcohol or buy alcohol in shops!