Gun Owners - YOUR LAST CHANCE!

Discussion in 'Gun Control' started by TheResister, Feb 18, 2018.

  1. Vegas giants

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    He doesn't need it. Neither does Feinstein or schumer
     
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    But what if Canadian style or Australian style gun control does not work here? Do we place more restrictions firearms and firearms owners?
     
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    It is not about need. It is about desire.
    I don't need my AR-15, I want it.
     
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    No. I am fine if the experiment fails. Then go back to what you had. But try the experiment
     
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    I don't buy it
     
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    We never go back. And while you may be fine with going back if the experiment fails others will not be. If it fails people like Bloomberg and Feinstein will be looking for the next weapon to confiscate.
     
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    Then kids will just continue to die
     
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    And that's how totalitarianism works. People "don't buy it" until it's too late.
     
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    It's also how paranoia works
     
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    No we need to take care of the kids, the adults, the minorities with disproportionate death rates, those contemplating suicide. We as a country and a society need to take care of all our citizens. I just don't believe more gun control is the way. I have other ideas on how to deal with our national problems.
     
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    I welcome those ideas. Gun control can be a part of that solution though
     
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    One big difference is that if it is paranoia it is no big deal but once you realize it is totalitarianism it is too late.
     
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    Not if the paranoia is getting our kids killed
     
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    As you keep saying and I keep disagreeing with. I do like the fact that you are at least trying.
     
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    Valid. I never said I had all the answers.

    Just the best solutions!
     
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    Somebody out there cares enough to get involved. That is why I'm inviting people to PM me and we can work together.

    The left can try to spin it any way they want, but bottom line:

    Reagan signed H.R. 4332 (in 1986 IIRC) and that gun control bill had NO effect on crime:

    https://www.quora.com/Did-Ronald-Re...nd-if-so-what-effect-on-gun-crime-did-it-have

    We had NO discussion on mental health, drugs and gun violence then

    In 1989 George Bush signed legislation banning the import of semi automatic weapons. We had NO discussion regarding mental health issues, drugs, and their impact on gun violence

    In 1994 Bill Clinton signed the Assault Weapons Ban. There was NO discussion regarding mental health and how it relates to gun violence then. That bill failed to get renewed because it did not produce any results.

    "Over the past three years, 39 states have passed at least 117 new pieces of legislation that make gun laws more strict, according to the Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence" (2012 - 2015.)

    IN NONE of those cases will you find a discussion about mental health as part of the "discussion"

    The banners want a semi-auto ban, high cap magazine ban, gun registration, etc. and they will not talk about SSRIs, over-populated prisons, opioids, or mental health issues as a part of the discussion. Then they want to pee down your neck and say that anybody that believes they want to ban all guns is "paranoid."

    We know there is a correlation between this country's non-existent mental health protocols and gun violence. We know there is a correlation between SSRIs / opioids, and gun violence. Yet if we demand a discussion on this, it is paranoia (sic.) The gun rights lobby needs to get their heads out of their ass and say NO more gun control until we address these issues.

    Background checks did not stop Adam Lanza; they didn't stop Nicholas Cruz... nor most of the rest of those people who participated in unspeakable carnage. The anti-gunners want more of the same unproductive waste, but they don't want to admit that we could have prevented Cruz, Lanza and most of the others with a better policy toward emotional and mental health issues.

    The left's denials of the obvious have a hollow ring to them. No more compromise; no more B.S. Let's solve this issue and get beyond gun control.
     
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    The GOP refuses to discuss mental health treatment
     
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    That's cause the GOP is full of the same thing the Democrats are full of.
     
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    The democrats are at least trying to expand mental health benefits
     
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    That's because the Democrats have more mental health issues.
     
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    Yes I'm sure that is it.

    But the ACA gave mental health benefits to millions of Americans. And the GOP voted to repeal it dozens of times
     
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    No, not even close.

    Everyone yammered Obama Care,
    Affordable care act, when Medicaid always covered those without other healthcare plans.

    States like New York always had State run healthcare facilities to provide care for everyone and many clinics funded by Philanthropists and foundations also paying for continuing Medical Education for those volunteers serving the underserved communities with Medical outreach.
     
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    The ACA expanded mental health benefits to millions. That is a fact
     
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    And what would that be?
     
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    To be honest, that is an impressive rant.

    So much rage, disillusion and delusion or bottled up and released.

    I am not sure how much you are going to achieve with so much negativity so tightly held on too.
     
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