You know, my little joke, a pro gunner is a somone that got mugged ! Not true in all cases, thats why it is a joke. Sarah Brady is still anti gun along with many others. I suppose I could have been Anit gun, born around anti gun parents and working in healthcare so many years in a big city ER and seeing Military service etc.....
Alright, here. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/1440764.stm http://www.ammoland.com/2014/09/how...most-violent-country-in-europe/#axzz42YFmtBtD
"cs Monday, 16 July, 2001, 04:50 GMT 05:50 UK Handgun crime 'up' despite ban Handgun Handguns were banned following the Dunblane massacre A new study suggests the use of handguns in crime rose by 40% in the two years after the weapons were banned. The research, commissioned by the Countryside Alliance's Campaign for Shooting, has concluded that existing laws are targeting legitimate users of firearms rather than criminals. The ban on ownership of handguns was introduced in 1997 as a result of the Dunblane massacre, when Thomas Hamilton opened fire at a primary school leaving 16 children and their teacher dead. Existing gun laws do not lead to crime reduction and a safer place David Bredin Campaign for Shooting But the report suggests that despite the restrictions on ownership the use of handguns in crime is rising. The Centre for Defence Studies at Kings College in London, which carried out the research, said the number of crimes in which a handgun was reported increased from 2,648 in 1997/98 to 3,685 in 1999/2000. It also said there was no link between high levels of gun crime and areas where there were still high levels of lawful gun possession. Of the 20 police areas with the lowest number of legally held firearms, 10 had an above average level of gun crime. And of the 20 police areas with the highest levels of legally held guns only two had armed crime levels above the average. Smuggling The campaign's director, David Bredin, said: "It is crystal clear from the research that the existing gun laws do not lead to crime reduction and a safer place. "Policy makers have targeted the legitimate sporting and farming communities with ever-tighter laws but the research clearly demonstrates that it is illegal guns which are the real threat to public safety." He said the rise was largely down to successful smuggling of illegal guns into the country. Weapons have even been disguised as key rings no larger than a matchbox to get them in, he said. Other sources of guns include battlefield trophies brought back by soldiers, the illegal conversion of replica firearms including blank firing pistols and the reactivation of weapons which had been deactivated. Ammunition Examples of illegally manufactured guns include screwdrivers being adapted to fire off one round, he said. The Metropolitan Police said its official figures showed a 20% drop in armed robberies of commercial premises between April and July this year, compared with the same period last year. A Scotland Yard spokesman said that, since April 2001, the Flying Squad has arrested 39 people in connection with 34 armed incidents and seized 52 weapons. Operation Trident, which investigates "black on black" shootings in the UK, has made more than 300 arrests, recovered 100 firearms and 1,500 rounds of ammunition since it was established a year ago. The Home Office said measures were being taken to tackle handgun crime, including an intensified effort against illegally smuggled weapons." NOTE: no American NRA or American statisics were used in this report.
There is nothing to prove that the massive explosion in gun sales are not ending up in the hands of existing gun owners as well as new gun owners. You know this or you would dispute it.
So, Article 1: reporting on a study by a partizan campaign group for countryside shooting, which makes no mention of the new crime counting rules effective 1998 and 2002 which elevated violent crime rates. No surprise there. Take a look at the chart again - the bars are coloured to show when these rules kicked in. Note that the bars are higher. Very elementary. Article 2: presents figures from a partizan organization which are not comparable. Why? The UK has approximately 50 classifications of "violent crime", half of which involve no injury and/or no physical contact at all. Compare that to our 4 - murder and non-negligent manslaughter, forcible rape, robbery, and aggravated assault. Not rocket science to figure out why the UK tops that list. Finally, take a look at the long-term gun crime rates. That's what counts.
Very true, U.S. long term statistics show crime at an all time low and decreasing steadily. Once again, the U.S. FBI cautions in ranking crime stats. Criminal Justice Information Services Division Feedback | Contact Us | Data Quality Guidelines | UCR Home CIUS Home Offenses Known to Law Enforcement Violent Crime Property Crime Clearances Persons Arrested Police Employee Data About CIUS Caution Against Ranking Download Printable Document Variables Affecting Crime Each year when Crime in the United States is published, many entities—news media, tourism agencies, and other groups with an interest in crime in our Nation—use reported figures to compile rankings of cities and counties. These rankings, however, are merely a quick choice made by the data user; they provide no insight into the many variables that mold the crime in a particular town, city, county, state, region, or other jurisdiction. 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Until data users examine all the variables that affect crime in a town, city, county, state, region, or other jurisdiction, they can make no meaningful "
It doesn't make one iota of difference whether or not Curzon believes that gun ownership is growing. His position and arguments are not significant enough to represent any viable group, and his method of discussion is rather amateur. You guys can carry this thread all the way to closing in exchanges with him. I'm done here.
Too bad, otherwise you are a nice person. aside from gun control, at a range in the real world, we would be great freinds !
You see, it all ties together, I was just watching the movie Philadelphia, with Denzel Washington, now in real life I practice safe sex, to minimize risks of STDs, same thing with guns, I voluntarily practice safe shooting in order to minimize risk to innocent by standers, on a funny note My dog just stole my supper because I was not careful enough, lol, That is why I am super careful with My guns ! lol Gun control advocates lose credibility often enough in little practical matters !, lol
One of the happiest times of my life was coordinating a child's rescue while working 911 communications slightly before cheap cell phones, when I achieved my communicatons requirements, Amateur radio too. Few things are as memorable or rewarding as saving a life, even from behind a microphone, or now, a computer screen, and keyboard or cell phone !
