Hakeem Jeffries, Pelosi's likely replacement, supports commission to study slavery reparations

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  1. Andrew Jackson

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    EXCEPT, in Many States:
    The Downtrodden "Native Americans" have become Multi-Millionaires from taking the Evil Exploiters Money at Tribal Casinos...
    Datz Some Sort of "Reparations", Right Dare...
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    I think the Europeons would be happy to reimburse all the Slave decedents in the U.S. And maybe all the decedents of the folks that died liberating them ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
     
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    With the polite thing to do also include not taking a personal jab at me? You should probably read more because I have done it.
     
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    But to actually do it, Hitler has to be invoked. At least Eugenics must be ... and we demonised that sh!t out of existence decades ago.
     
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    Not only have those neighborhoods received billions and billions over the years, what has blm done with their billions of dollars? Have they addressed any of the issues you mentioned?

    What happened to your respect for the women representatives of God's country? Women like Boebert and MTG?
     
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    First correction, is that the last state to ratify the 13th Amendment, abolishing slavery, was Mississippi, in 1995.

    https://calendar.eji.org/racial-injustice/mar/16

    Also, though Delaware was not part of the Confederacy, it did not ratify the 13th Amendment, until 1901.

    <Google Snip>
    Technically, the 13th Amendment is what ended slavery in Delaware; however, the state was the last to ratify the Amendment. Delaware did not ratify the 13th Amendment abolishing slavery until 1901, the only non-seceded state that opposed the Amendment into the twentieth century.Jan 9, 2017

    http://civildiscourse-historyblog.com › ...
    When Did Slavery Really End in the North? - Civil Discourse

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    So, as these examples should suggest to you,
    just because the government declared slavery gone, did not completely change attitudes, and therefore, the reality, even if the methods of subjugating blacks, needed updating.

    This is the basis of MOST objections to reparations: the mistaken belief that black families have had the same opportunities as have had whites, since the ending of slavery. In truth-- though things have certainly improved greatly, in all that time-- the playing field is still not even. So that is a rationale, and justification, for remedial action. If you do not accept that prejudice exists, obviously you will not be receptive to the idea of corrective "reparations."

    The other main confusion, is demonstrated by this next post:
    Funny, that you only seem to use your brain, to think of problems, and do not follow through to what those problems would imply, as far as how "reparations," are most likely to be employed. That is to say, I think you have locked on to a false assumption of what reparations means. I think it is very unlikely to manifest as individual checks. This is not the only recommendation, out there (even if it is the only one to catch your attention). Reparations would most likely focus on things like raising the quality of black communities' schools, and access to higher education; black-owned businesses access to capital, through loans; and certainly some reform of the criminal justice system, among other things.

     
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  7. Pollycy

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    You start by nitpicking about a 'date' when slavery ended in the United States, and then continue into a recitation of your personal opinions about how "reparations" are needed to provide "remedial action".... In actual fact, slavery ended with the death of the Confederate States of America, in 1865, enforced by Abraham Lincoln and his 'Grand Army of the Republic'.

    Declarations, emancipations, ratifications, and other opportunities to talk and talk, etc. ,etc., were part of the overall process -- but slavery ENDED at point of Northern guns... period. In REALITY, nothing else mattered, and, yes, thank God, slavery ended in the United States! As I said, and history records, slavery ended ONE HUNDRED FIFTY-SEVEN YEARS AGO.

    The 'woke', hyperliberal Left in this country has deluded itself into believing (ardently) that Blacks are the only people who were treated like sh*t in the United States. Much evidence exists to demonstrate prejudice against many different minority and/or ethnic groups, such as those who immigrated from Mexico, Ireland, eastern Europe, Italy -- and especially -- THE ORIENT! Consider: at least slaves in the U. S. were fed, clothed, and provided shelter by their owners... but not so the Chinese and others who came from East-Asia. They had to work themselves nearly to death or be cast aside to starve in a ditch somewhere in the American West. How many accommodations were offered to any of these people? They had to toil like ants or die, and nobody gave a damn if they could 'make it or break it'. It was, and remains, a 'dog-eat-dog' world in which you must COMPETE for what you want in life. And since 1965, FIFTY-SEVEN YEARS AGO, all American citizens are undisputedly EQUAL BEFORE THE LAW! All of us are free to COMPETE for the lives we want to live, on an EQUAL basis....

    Still, today, the group that most prominently stands at the front of every line for 'free stuff' in this country is, and for the last sixty years has been, the BLACKS. On a per capita basis, no other ethnic group receives more welfare handouts. If that is not so, then what is it that gives animation to a something-for-nothing farce like "reparations"...?



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    Okay, duly noted. Apologies for the jab, that was a little snarky on my part.
     
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    Boebert and Marge don't represent Brooklyn, or anything even remotely resembling virtue or godliness. They are two of the worst example of women this country has.
     
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    Exactly...
    A Couple of Zombified MAGA Stepford Wives...
    A Couple of Whacked-Out Chicks who make Jody Arias look like Mother Teresa...
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    Oh... then you'd probably extol different women, like Dr. Brittney Cooper, the radical, 'woke' Rutgers college professor who advocates violence against White people as someone we should admire...?! Add the Cooper-creature to a better-known list of other creatures like House members, Ilhan Omar, Rashida Tlaib, AOC, et al, and you'd have QUITE a collection of America-hating dreck!

    [​IMG] Dr. Brittney Cooper, 'woke', racist 'paragon'....


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    I had not been nitpicking, but making a point-- I'd thought, clearly, however you'd nonetheless missed it. The point was that, even if they were not slaves, nor have blacks been treated equitably, in American society, from the time slavery ended. Do I need to cover all that past history, for you-- from Jim Crow laws, vigilante lynchings, and cross burning intimidations, through U.S. government enforced Red Lining policies, state- sponsored segregation, up to today's blatantly biased criminal justice statistics, showing harsher punishments for black defendants, than for white ones?
     
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    I notice that you chose to omit the portion of my post which pointed out that Blacks were not the only people who were treated very badly in this country. Truly, this definitely bears repeating in any discussion about "reparations" for any one ethnic or racial group:

    "The 'woke', hyperliberal Left in this country has deluded itself into believing (ardently) that Blacks are the only people who were treated like sh*t in the United States. Much evidence exists to demonstrate prejudice against many different minority and/or ethnic groups, such as those who immigrated from Mexico, Ireland, eastern Europe, Italy -- and especially -- THE ORIENT! Consider: at least slaves in the U. S. were fed, clothed, and provided shelter by their owners... but not so the Chinese and others who came from East-Asia. They had to work themselves nearly to death or be cast aside to starve in a ditch somewhere in the American West. How many accommodations were offered to any of these people? They had to toil like ants or die, and nobody gave a damn if they could 'make it or break it'. It was, and remains, a 'dog-eat-dog' world in which you must COMPETE for what you want in life. And since 1965, FIFTY-SEVEN YEARS AGO, all American citizens are undisputedly EQUAL BEFORE THE LAW! All of us are free to COMPETE for the lives we want to live, on an EQUAL basis...."

    Truly, recalling those wrongs provides a robust rebuttal for the whole devious and totally unfair idea of "reparations" -- for ANYBODY! Do we have to pore over the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 all over again...? Blacks certainly deserve to be -- AND ARE -- the EQUALS of every other citizen in this country. Nothing less... and, nothing more!
     
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    It is 2022, we all have equal right and have for some time. If certain groups still continue to fall behind, there is nothing more anyone owes them. It is what it is. We are truly in charge of ourselves. No one owes anyone else anything.
     
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    Dems have always been the party of racial division. Racist Biden is certainly on board. UNEXPECTEDLY! Biden Education Official Says Democracy—And Everything Else—Is White Supremacy.

    '“Kristina Ishmael [she/her],” a Biden deputy director to the Department of Education’s Office of Educational Technology, made her Twitter account private after Fox News caught her claiming that democracy, “fatphobia,” and, well, pretty much everything else is “white supremacy.” Considering that Ishmael said she was tuning out white people, while she/herself is white, should we follow her example and exclude her from public expression?'

    Yes. Apply her standards to her.
     
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    Maybe Islam and Arabs should pay reparations for being slavers
     
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    And the Italian Government! The way I figure it, the Italians owe me a tubful of money because the Roman Empire bastards invaded the homeland of my Germanic ancestors, pillaged their villages, and forced 'my' people into slavery! If anybody is going to start getting 'reparations' then I WANT MINE, too!

    If any government is STOOPID enough to begin dishing it out, for ANY reason, real or imagined, then the rest of us would be idiots not to start raking it in.... 8)
     
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    I have no reason to "argue" with most of that part of your post, save the seeming, lingering idea in your mind, that "reparations" are going to take the form of individual payments, to compensate for past wrongs, in our society; which I have already said, is not what I expect they will be-- even if some want that. I will give you, then, that the name reparations, does connote this image you have-- we must remember, however, that this name was chosen by black people, who were calling for compensation.

    Personally, I do not see the value in this: we do not live in a society that blames the child, for the sins of its parents. Also, if the goal is to create a more equitable society, then giving white people more potential reason to feel resentment towards blacks, writ large, and see them more as "takers" from society, rather than contributors to it, seems counter to that goal.

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    reason, however, that remedial action can, and almost certainly, at some point, will be applied to the black community, but not specifically to the Chinese (or Mexican, or Irish, etc.), is that the current difficulties that blacks, as a community, face, can be identified, and targeted; and those contemporary problems, can be traced back to the unequal status of blacks, throughout American history. That would, then, be my other disagreement with this part of your argument: that we live in a colorblind society. While that is patently not the case, it is not believable, that you've never heard about the various proofs of this. I therefore, would see no point in my online mining, in order to bring you stats, and articles, proving a point, if you are unwilling, even to consider this possibility.
     
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    People who lived during Jim Crow are still very much alive. I don't mind them studying it. Not likely it will go anywhere other than blaming Trump for the January 6th unruliness anyway.
     
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    Yes more leaders who take the easy route of looking backwards and demanding reparations instead of looking forward on how to improve the lives and those they claim represent.
     
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    That's not the point for Dem politicians they will keep it an issue because they can get votes for doing so.
     
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    And many were the ones who opposed the Democrat segregationist and party which supported such laws. I am one of them. Why would I owe reparations rhetorically speaking.
     
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    Sorry, never heard of her.
     
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    Yeah? Ok...
    Politics 101...
     
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    I’ll never pay repressions. It’s absurd to demand that of anyone, and genuinely evil.
     
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